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00:00.00
wildremedies
Welcome Devin to the wild remedies podcast I have been so looking forward to this conversation. How are you today.

00:09.42
Devon
I'm great. Krista thank you so much for having me I'm super excited to be here.

00:11.12
wildremedies
Yeah, oh man I Just love your brand. All the things that you're creating I'm a creator as Well. So I'm just so excited to dig into that and learn more about it selfishly learn about your process a little bit as Well. And yeah, okay, totally yeah so people can know what they're getting into if they decide to do something like that because it's a lot. Yeah.

00:30.82
Devon
Um, process is one of my favorite things to talk about I think more people should talk about process actually.

00:41.98
Devon
Um, exactly yeah, it is yeah.

00:46.10
wildremedies
Cool. Well I mean first before we get into all of that I always find that people that get into wellness usually do it because of a healing journey that they've had to go through themselves is that the case with you.

00:57.21
Devon
Yes, absolutely.

01:00.43
wildremedies
Okay, why don't we talk about that a little bit first. Why don't you tell me about your healing journey so far.

01:04.67
Devon
Um, yeah, um, so I feel like when it comes to my healing journey. It's been It's always been It started off as like a very obvious emotional healing journey. Um i. Fell into a deep depression freshman year college um you know was battling with suicidal ideations and that led to therapy talk therapy at that point and really ah coming to terms with childhood trauma. Um. Ah, hurt story patterns and telling how to have my own back. Really you know like not need the outside validation to define my worth. Um, so that that's kind of catapulted me into the wellness world I was. On the East Coast at that point. But right after college I move to California and there was a lot more resources and access to not only emotional and and spiritual health but physical and then I actually started to experience more of the physical. Um I was starting to have ovarian cis. Ah, that would rupture and so I was in the hospital twice for them and the second time. Um I really had to advocate for myself in the hospital I had um a doctor who just what I went in knowing it was assist and he didn't want to give me an ultrasound at first because.

02:36.28
Devon
He just didn't believe that that's what it was and when I basically was like no I need I know when I was like I you're giving me an ultrasound he is like yes you're right? It is one and it's actually like in your pelvis so that I'm to send you to this doctor? Whatever and then I went and saw this amazing doctor and she was like look the way to help with.

02:37.50
wildremedies
Early That's fun. It's.

02:55.60
Devon
Ovarian Ciss is usually birth control and I was like well I was on it. It really didn't work for me. Um, and she was like I get it. You're so you're swapping one set of symptoms for another. So My advice is to get really close to your body understand it. Um, you now know what these cis feel like they usually get. But when even when they rupture they usually are like then taken out with your period and kind of like your body resets. That's my that was my experience She was like you know this about yourself. So just be aware and if a pain stays then like you know to come in and that really is what opened me to you know Moon Cycle bakery and my cycle and. And really that like link between the emotional and the physical which was I have been working on empowered feeling empowered and and trusting myself to be able to not only like know who I am but advocate for those needs. Um, and then this physical element was coming in that was really.

03:45.82
wildremedies
See.

03:52.42
Devon
Pushing me to do that and I think that's kind of where you know both books I wrote the cookbook and Thecycle cookbook and then the second book I just wrote on um, like learning how to meet and process those emotions really meets. It's like that physical meets that emotional.

04:07.95
wildremedies
I Love that and did you have success healing The the Ovarian sister is it something that you still have to manage cool.

04:17.65
Devon
No I was yeah, no, that was the last one I had actually um yeah I that I started you know getting deeper into my diet understanding. What could be causing them and also for me a lot of. The things I've experienced I've had had like kidney stones and whatnot are stress. You know like they they make me very aware of how dsregulated I am and how I'm my body is like holding on its pushing through I'm not giving it the space it needs to um to talk so that's been. Like the second layer basically a feeling now.

04:55.93
wildremedies
Um, and so like that's kind of what you identified the root cause to be was like more stress. Yeah.

05:00.33
Devon
Yeah I mean I think for me, it was a combination of um, like certain dietary things that needed to shift. Um, and then yeah like whenever I look back at when I've got the Cis or when I've gotten the kidney stones. It's in these really heightened states of. Um, of emotional stress and it's interesting because I just started somatic therapy and I started that in the winter and um there she does this thing where it's like talk therapy meets like.

05:23.90
wildremedies
A.

05:38.13
Devon
Physical um, emotional work and she does this kind of body work where she'll put her hands on certain parts of my body to help them regulate and one of the first places is your kidneys because the adrenal glands sit right? think like right on top of them and um. I was like I get kidney stones and she was like that's not It's not like uncommon for people who hold certain emotion like it's be like it's your system. That's where it goes. It's like these. There's certain parts of your nervous system that holds emotions when it gets dysregulated and that's when its face of it. Um, so yeah I do I do think it's. Always again that it's like there's physical aspects and then there's these emotional aspects that I'm trying to always kind of be on top of or at the very least be aware of yeah.

06:21.98
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah I mean it's so important. That's really what we are coming to understand now right? as a lot of our physical symptoms come from emotional traumas.

06:33.45
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah.

06:36.88
wildremedies
Pushing through things grinding a lot of the things that we kind of value and glorify in our society right now are really the things that are killing us in a lot of senses. Yeah yeah, well.

06:46.97
Devon
Um, yeah yeah absolutely yeah I I think about that often actually even with just like um ah beau burnham you know the comedian he. He came out with like a Netflix special um over the pandemic and it's all about ah, it's like basically about his mental. He's he's like ah he's very funny but he does he makes songs and stuff and it's like it's about a million things but it's a lot of it's about his mental health. And he just put something I just shared it on my stories and I've gotten so many people responding to be like where'd you get this? can you send me the link because it's all about how he um, it's all about performance and like how we're in this. How like this social media and Instagram and everything came to be because we are this society that we like someone was like okay perform and we're like okay and how it's slowly killing us and how like you know if you he's like if you don't have an audience to perform too like don't don't change that like just.

07:57.79
wildremedies
And.

08:00.20
Devon
Be You don't perform and I was like that's it's so powerful and I think yeah I think it goes along with that hustle culture like sometimes I wonder I'm like what if I just got off all social media like what if I just disappeared in that sense like would my body react differently I'm sure it would.

08:17.71
wildremedies
Um, yeah, well depending on what your relationship to it is right like does it feel expansive or does it feel restrictive. You know and for a lot of people though.

08:23.00
Devon
Um, yeah, very true. Um I took a point.

08:31.00
wildremedies
It's tough right? like there's elements of addiction. There's elements of you know, comparing. There's all of these things that generally are on the lower octave you know sometimes the creating can feel great like I I actually genuinely enjoy like sharing stuff I don't.

08:38.93
Devon
Um, yeah, right? um.

08:49.93
wildremedies
I don't love the algorithmic bullshit though that says oh you need to post fucking 3 times a day or no to see your shit and like you know when when it's a business and like you need to be you know, getting information out and a thing that's really frustrating is that social media has become one of like.

08:53.14
Devon
Um, yeah, totally Um, yeah, um.

09:09.45
wildremedies
Ah, very small subset of ways to advertise now right? like we used to advertise in such different ways and now it's like this feels like it's almost. The only thing I'm actually entrusted in like trying different things now like what about print like does that even work anymore like even.

09:11.34
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah.

09:18.53
Devon
Yeah.

09:26.64
Devon
Um, yeah, right.

09:29.12
wildremedies
I Don't even know like I I don't get junk mail and all those things like I don't even know if that would work. But yeah, it does feel. Um, it does feel like an abusive relationship though in in a sense for a lot of people.

09:35.22
Devon
Um, let's hit a good point though.

09:41.00
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah, right, right? exactly because to your point It's like your hands being forced one way or another that the whole point we're on there is to be creative and share in that creativity and that fluidity that comes with that. But then you can't because there's an algorithm and you need to be. It's like that.

09:45.21
wildremedies
And he.

09:53.54
wildremedies
And.

09:58.15
Devon
You're making me realize it's like that need to be seen like you have to be literally seen. You're like your content has to be seen in order for it. Your business to Thrive is how it starts to feel and then you're fighting to be seen and that is definitely sounds like an abusive relationship. It's very interesting.

09:58.96
wildremedies
And then.

10:09.39
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

10:12.83
wildremedies
Yeah, yep, Totally oh my God I'm It's a huge thing right? like in it in and dates all of us now and like a thing that I think about quite often that just.

10:15.93
Devon
Yeah, and just what that does on the body. This is just you know the really minor thoughts that I think about on it raise. Ah.

10:32.12
wildremedies
Makes me sick is the fact that like children are growing up in this paradigm and oh man like high school and just you know see social paradigms were already hard enough when we didn't have that shit like.

10:36.59
Devon
Um, yeah, so true.

10:50.41
wildremedies
Can you imagine and that the and the performance right? like their entire identity would be around being performative which is just wild and so stressful for those kids.

10:50.98
Devon
Um, no no I.

11:02.90
Devon
Yeah, you're right? It's like it's terrifying. You're right? That is the word. It's sickening and terrifying I think about it with my son's three and a half but I do think like I'm gonna blank and he's gonna be in middle school and like what.

11:06.66
wildremedies
And.

11:14.14
wildremedies
And.

11:19.92
Devon
What social pressures is it going to be under to have not only a phone but to your point like social media. What to do with it How to show up? Yeah um I don't know there's yeah, just it's just more of those unanswered questions of being a parent in.

11:29.37
wildremedies
Um, he.

11:38.66
Devon
The world that we've we're creating basically.

11:38.97
wildremedies
Yeah, well I mean the good news is is that a lot of this stuff is kind of being illuminated and there are people and parents who are conscious of this now and making different choices I mean on.

11:53.66
Devon
Um, yeah.

11:57.26
wildremedies
Kind of like the 1 spectrum people are just pulling their kids out of school completely and homeschooling right? and that's not that's not an option for a lot of people but I mean at the bare minimum if there can be awareness around it and if.

11:59.98
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:09.28
Devon
Yeah.

12:12.54
wildremedies
You know more parents are putting limits in things because I think that's kind of the hard part is when kids are around peers that don't really have a lot of limits and they want to do what they're doing right excuse vote. Yeah so it's like well I just want to do what Johnny's doing right? and so that.

12:23.34
Devon
Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, and like the they not understanding why I shouldn't right like as a kid you're like why. Just So don't get why but you're right like if there's that awareness and education then.

12:32.54
wildremedies
Ahead and there.

12:39.92
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah for sure. Um, just going back to.

12:41.36
Devon
There's ah, there's actually a conversation then.

12:49.55
wildremedies
Some of the symptoms that you were having prior you mentioned Diet was a big thing for you and in healing what what kind of changes did you make that help support that.

12:58.72
Devon
Yeah, so for me personally um, it it was really cutting out like um so around the around the time of the cis and I had kidney stones is when I started working with. 1 of my friends now but she's a toxicologist a nutritionist and I cut out. Um well I cut out and then I just cut down like the amount of meat I was eating um and gluten sugar and dairy at that time. Um, and it it helped I mean it really helped but it was one of those things where it just I'm not a prescriptive person like even with the book and everything that moon cycle is about. We cannot say enough like this is not dogmatic and this is not prescriptive because. It's different for every single person. Not to mention it's different as you grow and heal right? like so I love me like I I feel better when I eat meat. Um, that's just who I am there are some people who don't and that works too. But for me I yeah I need like I need my protein to feel like a functioning human.

14:06.35
wildremedies
He kept.

14:10.39
Devon
It was I just have to be mindful of this like where I'm getting it from how much of it I'm eating it kind of got into that more nuanced way of looking at things instead of like so black and white for me and that was new. Um I think sometimes for me, it's easier to go to the black and white because it just requires less thinking and like energy. But.

14:19.79
wildremedies
He.

14:30.19
Devon
It's not it wasn't sustainable. Um, so I think that's why I love the cookbook so much is because it's a good balance if we really worked so hard to make sure that nothing was all or nothing. You know every recipe can be um. You You can make it vegan. You can add me, you can use like you know, just granulated sugar. You could use maple Syrup. You know there's that it is so accommodating to different lifestyles. But Also yeah, again where you are in your journey because it's just kind of it's going to fluctuate I I think.

15:00.33
wildremedies
Her hands.

15:05.10
Devon
Think we're kind of sold a lie that once you get into your healing path like it'll be that way forever. But that's just not not my experience at least.

15:09.91
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, it definitely does change a lot and I love that you have the philosophy of things changing and the lack of dogma because. We still see a lot of dogma in the wellness industry unfortunately and I know what it's like when I first started my healing journey. You know I did like this vegan thing for about a month and started feeling better right? So I was like oh my god well this is obvious like meat is obviously evil then right.

15:30.71
Devon
Yeah.

15:38.27
Devon
Move. Um.

15:45.70
wildremedies
But really like I went from eating fucking Mcdonald's and like just absolute trash food to eating like whole food for the first time in my life. So like no wonder I felt better but there was a lot of you know those documentaries and stuff at that time that were like very you know vegan focused but i.

15:52.62
Devon
Um, right? yeah.

16:02.79
wildremedies
You know, ended up being vegetarian for about 4 years and I was very dogmatic right? like I was just like you were shitty person because of climate change blah blah blah blah blah and like so when I see that still happening right? like I just I kind of laugh.

16:04.86
Devon
Amazing.

16:10.43
Devon
Are.

16:18.45
wildremedies
Because I feel like it's a season that people go through and you know it's unfortunate that it also comes with a bit of righteousness and a megaphone which is really annoying now. But I think eventually people start to learn those lessons.

16:20.50
Devon
Um, yeah, totally.

16:37.18
wildremedies
Usually in the hard way and um, you know I also find it interesting that like I don't remember what the exact percentage is but it's like upwards of 90% of all people that you know go vegan end up having to switch back because like their hair starts falling out.

16:53.30
Devon
Um, yeah, right right? Yeah, right like their body starts talking.

16:56.36
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, so it's like you know we kind of just need to be like if you're doing a diet that requires you to take a plethora of supplements so you don't fucking die like it's probably not the most healthy thing right? like.

17:12.72
Devon
Yes, yeah.

17:15.43
wildremedies
We need to really be focusing more on balance. But it's tough like if you do have chronic illness you know more extreme diets something like Ketogenic or whatever can be very helpful but again none of that is really great long term so we do you know the diet can help can be so.

17:25.55
Devon
Um, totally um, right? um.

17:33.82
wildremedies
And supportive in some ways but we need to be looking at all kinds of stuff like so when you mention somatics for example, such a beautiful thing like we probably have all of these knots that are you know inside of us energetically that need to be unwound to be able to release.

17:40.27
Devon
Got it that.

17:51.18
Devon
Um, yep.

17:53.22
wildremedies
You know all kinds of things that get tied up inside of us that help to create those symptoms.

17:59.80
Devon
Yeah, and I think like going back to your point On. Um, you know the kind of self-righteousness or just judgment like it like like um, kind of grouping people into a certain thing if if what they're doing is different than what you're doing. I Think that that also comes again. It's like connected to that that emotional place when we're in the healing of like like usually if I'm judging someone I can I know I'm like I'm in pain because I if I was feeling good in and strong in my body.

18:27.80
wildremedies
And.

18:33.72
Devon
Or in my mental emotional self like I wouldn't be judging them. That's just not what people who are feeling good about themselves do um and so usually it's like for me, it's an indicator like my friend says it to my friends big andmatics and she's a therapist and I love talkingpping her because I will say things and sometimes.

18:37.90
wildremedies
E a.

18:52.71
Devon
And she'll be like what I hear is you're in the middle of healing and I'm like that's a good way of putting it. It's messy there like yeah like you said it's a season. It's like I mean and we don't know what that season's going to look like when we're in it or even after that's why we look back with hindinsight and we're like oh yeah I can see how like.

18:59.63
wildremedies
You need.

19:09.83
Devon
I can see that that I was doing good things but I wasn't quite through it yet. So like I was eating whole foods and that was really good but like I it was okay I could have eaten meat or like it's not a big deal of other people do um, it's just interesting because it's like this really a society I think we find it.

19:29.30
Devon
Challenging to live in that in between you know it's It's either all or nothing or um, yeah, just hard to live in those gray areas Health or otherwise.

19:30.60
wildremedies
And.

19:38.10
wildremedies
Which is yeah but that's like it's so frustrating right? because that's really where we need to get to? Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody just wants a definitive answer right? And so.

19:45.52
Devon
Um, it's life. That's the truth of life right? like it that's life happening at all times. It's so nuanced. Yeah.

19:55.61
wildremedies
Living in the gray or living in the mystery or being in that in-between from like where you are now and where you want to get to can can be difficult but that's how it is right.

20:05.22
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah.

20:08.77
wildremedies
And this is something that you know we talk about on the podcast all the time like what the actual healing process looks like right because so many people just they want the quick quick or quick fix pill of pharmaceuticals. But you know we talk about why that is.

20:14.74
Devon
Are.

20:25.69
wildremedies
You know, probably doing more more harm than good and just having to get comfortable with being uncomfortable right and being in that great getting through that process. Yeah.

20:30.19
Devon
We get exactly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right getting comfortable with the uncomfortable. That's exactly it.

20:37.66
wildremedies
Yeah, that's what real healing looks like you know it's not oddling. No, it's not glamorous. It's not coddling. It's not. It's you know, taking responsibility for yourself for your shit.

20:44.22
Devon
Um, it's not glamorous.

20:48.24
Devon
Yeah.

20:54.47
wildremedies
Being an adult now not outsourcing your power and just fucking becoming a more epic person for going through the shit.

21:01.14
Devon
Yeah I love that not outsourcing your power that is that's going to stick with me I Wonder why like it's curious to me like why we outsource our power. Why do you think that is.

21:07.83
wildremedies
And.

21:20.88
wildremedies
Well I don't know I think there's a lot of different reasons. Um, it's easier right? Like human beings are just where we're hardwired to make everything easier to have more comfort right.

21:30.47
Devon
Um, your husband.

21:38.68
wildremedies
Like that's why we have this world that we build around ourselves with all of the walls that we encase ourselves with that. Are you know, perfectly temperatured controlled you know, drop of a hat or you know touch of a phone we can have anything delivered to it like we want comfort. We want.

21:53.11
Devon
Are yeah, right? right? um.

21:55.81
wildremedies
Were naturally geared towards that and you know it makes sense like it's nice, not to be in the fight or flight response all the time as of like having a bear chase you or. You know, having a like fucking forage to have like a roof over your head like that that that shit wasn't cool, right? like it was a big part of our history and it's tough. Um, now you know, especially in Western Society. We We have all of those luxuries.

22:16.27
Devon
Yeah.

22:25.10
wildremedies
But we're always looking. We're always seeking comfort right? always seeking comfort and a lot of us have just you know, become really soft in a sense and we can't tolerate having that headache. We can't tolerate having you know those symptoms that are coming up and.

22:26.96
Devon
Are.

22:42.76
wildremedies
A lot of us have just kind of gotten to the point where and we've maybe been taught too over the past you know, hundred years or so that we can't trust ourselves right? Yeah, well we've lost a lot of our intuition right? and I think a lot of that too.

22:50.53
Devon
Yeah, yeah, yeah I think that's a huge one? yeah.

23:01.18
wildremedies
Comes with patriarchal structures right? because women European women. You mean we still see this in indigenous cultures. But I'm just talking from like our like my own experiences you know having European roots a lot of that wisdom.

23:03.87
Devon
Are.

23:15.91
Devon
Um, yet.

23:20.31
wildremedies
Right? Like that that the medicine like it was the women right? They were the healers right? and a lot of that knowledge has been literally burnt at the stake. We've lost it right? but I feel like there was a lot of like.

23:23.84
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah.

23:31.11
Devon
Um, yeah, so true. Yeah, um.

23:37.47
wildremedies
Fierceness and rebellion and there was just a lot of intuitive wisdom and we were so in tune with nature and able to heal ourselves with plants and all of this stuff that I mean I'm so passionate about reclaiming its huge process. And it's difficult. But yeah, we really lost a lot of that and you know women were told that they were Crazy. You know the the root is correct. Yeah too much and but also like we've just we've we've had the power taken away from us.

23:58.84
Devon
Um, writer what we hear now too much. Yeah.

24:09.59
wildremedies
Incrementally over decades and decades and decades and now we kind of have these systems that are put in place that know better right? The governments the school systems the Health care systems where they're up here and we're down here and we're talked down to and so.

24:16.30
Devon
Um, right.

24:26.11
Devon
Um, yeah, right.

24:29.29
wildremedies
You know adults have really become infantilized in a lot of ways right? and they want mummy and daddy government to fix it and they want mummy and daddy doctor to fix it and all of these things when what we've lost sight of is that we have so much power ourselves. Yeah.

24:32.77
Devon
Um, yeah.

24:41.99
Devon
Um, yeah, it's so true like you're just making me realize too like no one ever teaches how to advocate. But I get that's the point right? like it's like if the if the goal is to take away our power then no one like they don't want us to advocate.

24:50.14
wildremedies
Totally.

24:59.38
wildremedies
Of course they are.

25:01.34
Devon
Because that would be reclaiming our intuition that would be that would put us on an equal playing field or at least more of an equal playing field. Um, but it's just so interesting to me like I think when it when I think about Moon Cycle I Think about the fact that so much of it.

25:08.24
wildremedies
He yep.

25:18.95
Devon
Stems from this place of advocating for yourself and that that does include the education of like learning about your body so that then you can listen to it right? So then so then you can make an individual you can personalize it so that you can make personalized choices which we know are.

25:30.97
wildremedies
In here.

25:38.23
Devon
Absolutely being taken away. Um, it's just I'm like how radical would it be if like there was a advocating for yourself 1 a 1 class you know in like your schools like I just feel like I know I has.

25:40.20
wildremedies
Yep.

25:50.25
wildremedies
I Love that. So but that that's exactly where it starts so right like the education system is all about let's make little cogs in our society that don't answer questions or don't ask questions and just do it The whole.

25:58.16
Devon
To yeah it. Yeah.

26:07.26
Devon
Yep, sit down? Yep yeah I see it even with my son like I'm really lucky the class he's in right now. It's not so much the case but when even when he was like I don't know one and a half and we'd go to you know like those my gym things were like he my son loves he's.

26:10.21
wildremedies
Yes.

26:24.70
Devon
Doesn't all stop moving so he would go and just run around in the first 10 minutes they have um, circle time. So like it's just they're just doing like stretching your arms and seeing to a song is up and he was like no I'm going to go run and all these like there's a whole world here that you've built for me to run and climb on like I'm going to go do that.

26:33.50
wildremedies
Um.

26:44.50
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

26:44.57
Devon
And so I we always would let him because I was like well yeah I get it and it's just not him like he's not like every other um kid where he's going to be ok sitting in circle time like he's going to. That's not him. Um.

26:56.15
wildremedies
Is.

27:02.00
Devon
And and the the people the teachers would be like can you help him like sit in circle time and I'd be like no I'm not because he's I'm not going to treat like he doesn't need to be like every other kid basically like it's just not who I is sorry alone my dog wants to come in. Um.

27:06.62
wildremedies
No well. No Oh all, good.

27:20.65
Devon
Um, so yeah, so it's true and I think about it a lot with Moon cycle and the sense of like um I want I think like the next part of what I'd like Moon cycle to explore is that part of when you're a kid like what are you being educated on.

27:37.99
wildremedies
And.

27:40.70
Devon
Are you learning about your body. Are you? you know? are you are you actually getting are you are you learning about? are you being told about it because there's a difference.

27:46.83
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, and I think a really important element or something that would be just so Paradigm changing is just teaching kids about intuition you know? yeah.

27:53.42
Devon
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28:02.28
Devon
Um, yeah, oh my God Yeah, absolutely yeah, it has to start young.

28:05.59
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, like it does for sure. Yeah, yeah, like if I can Imagine. It's funny I Totally I totally lost sight of this over time. But when I first started my company wild remedies. It was really like I wanted to create a large company that had a lot of resources so that I could create alternative schools for kids because I just thought like you know if we can have a generation that starts off by learning about meditation and intuition and. Advocate like you know all of the stuff all of these lost arts and traditions and things like ah it would just make all the difference I feel you know.

28:56.50
Devon
Um, yeah, it of course it would cause it would change the the root and foundation of society like if if you know if our kids are the future which they are then it would change everything and I think that's why we don't we we treat them like they don't know.

29:00.00
wildremedies
9

29:11.84
Devon
Like like they don't have their own intuition right? like we treat children like they're not wise or they're not the wise beings that they really are and I think we do it because we don't want things to change in some foundational level or a lot of people don't like we want to keep giving them my God sorry hold on.

29:12.50
wildremedies
Are a.

29:29.60
wildremedies
That's okay, we can edit it out. Ah.

29:31.92
Devon
Um.

30:12.19
Devon
Um, ok, she's not concerned. Um, but yeah I just I feel like I wonder I guess I should say why we don't why why we think like.

30:17.14
wildremedies
How good.

30:31.89
Devon
That our children don't they just don't understand you know it's like they understand so much more than we give them credit for and you're right if we gave them. That's like that's so beautiful that that's what you want to do like I feel like and I feel like.

30:34.74
wildremedies
A a.

30:48.82
Devon
To your point. That's what was happening centuries ago right? like kids were learning those things that was being passed down. Yeah I I Hope you do that if you create a school like that I will send my child.

30:51.43
wildremedies
Then.

30:57.50
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, well it will. It's coming to me more lately just because a lot of things are shifting in my life right now and. Yeah I'm starting to have like these little bits of inspiration and just with everything that you know the work that I've been doing in the past couple of years around connecting with nature like I just I just see a piece of that with children like I I don't I don't.

31:29.78
Devon
Um, yeah.

31:32.36
wildremedies
Or think I'll ever have kids. But I love kids and um I've always kind of seen myself working with them in in some capacity. But what I would really love to facilitate is the connection to with children and and mother nature right.

31:50.15
Devon
Love that.

31:51.98
wildremedies
Because that is one of the most key pieces in teaching intuition right and teaching that we are part of Earth and this is why it's really important to. Advocate for the health of our environment and ways that we can do that I mean it all just starts with us have to be a huge you know oh my God We need to change like all of these things. It's just within ourselves. But you know if every child.

32:12.47
Devon
Um, yeah.

32:19.88
Devon
Um, yeah, um.

32:22.28
wildremedies
You know had kind of had this start in life where they had this reverence for the place that we call home. It would make a huge difference. Yeah.

32:32.43
Devon
Um, absolutely, you're right? it would I Also think um, it's a great resource like for your own I know for me um, and somatic and somatic therapy. They talk about this like.

32:48.56
Devon
You have resources. It's big basically like the things that help you co-regulate and nature I mean people do that right? save people. Um but nature is I think the biggest co-regulator ever and.

32:51.00
wildremedies
A and.

33:01.57
wildremedies
Yeah.

33:06.14
Devon
Um I think it's just such an important resource I know when I was a kid that that would be when things were you know, really bad like I would go outside because it would be safe. It's a safe place like it's ah it's unconditionally loving.

33:22.95
wildremedies
And.

33:24.80
Devon
In the sense that like no one's you know what? you're you're like sitting by even just trees like there's no judgment. It's so neutral which is another thing I think that neutrality I'm learning like it's not glamorized because it's neutrality. But it's so healing to just being neutral.

33:31.48
wildremedies
Good news.

33:42.43
wildremedies
Hey.

33:44.79
Devon
You know like you're still feeling. You're just not attached to anything in either direction. Um I think about it a lot for my son like I just see when we're outside that he is. He's embodied and that's a gift because he can always reach for that.

33:47.72
wildremedies
In here.

34:03.78
wildremedies
Um, yeah, yeah, well and it's interesting because it makes sense that the neutrality that you speak of because we are nature right? like.

34:03.99
Devon
Hopefully if we make the changes we need to make like he'll always have that you know.

34:17.23
wildremedies
Our bodies are literally from the Earth We are nature and so when we are communing with nature. We're in the forest like there are literal frequencies that are being you know that are regulating our systems and you know as a society. We.

34:28.88
Devon
Um, yeah.

34:36.44
wildremedies
Suffer from something called Nature Deficit Disorder right? and that creates a lot of dysregulation in our bodies and all you have to do is go fucking outside like just go outside. Yeah.

34:40.40
Devon
Um, yeah.

34:45.37
Devon
Um, yeah, right right? like I know when when people say it like my friend I was been going through something and I was talking to her about it and she was like just go outside and go regularly and I was like oh yeah, like it is.

34:59.17
wildremedies
I know I know yep, just go lay in the grass. Yeah.

35:02.53
Devon
It is really that simple and and even if yeah, right? and even if it's like even if I'm not like I'm not I'm not saying it. It'll like go outside and like you'll be healed forever and it'll you know like I'm not saying that. But I.

35:17.67
wildremedies
A.

35:21.84
Devon
I Do genuinely experience when I go outside there is at least a minor shift if not a genuinely decent size one you know what? I mean like it makes a difference.

35:30.80
wildremedies
Yeah, like it's very rare that you go out for a little stroll in the park or walk in the force and you come back feeling worse like that's just not nothing like it will always make you feel better.

35:40.33
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah, yes I I agree and I know there's like so much science on it and um, like you said like the frequencies and.

35:47.53
wildremedies
Yeah.

35:55.61
Devon
I think I read somewhere a long time ago about like your cells begin to like match that of what you're like it's just it's amazing like we're so lucky to have it. Um, yeah I do I.

36:00.12
wildremedies
Totally And. Um, but it's what we are right? We've just created so much separation with the walls and all of the things you know like in the Future. What would be really cool is if our houses were made more of like.

36:13.71
Devon
Yeah, that's so true.

36:24.42
wildremedies
You know people are making like those really cool cobhouses and stuff now Earth and all of that stuff like if our floors were actually grounded if our walls were actually made from like you know, really natural materials like I know the frames of our homes are wood and all of that stuff and.

36:26.86
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah.

36:40.75
wildremedies
That's not even the greatest thing because you know we're destroying our forests for that. But I think there's ways that we can still create comfort learn from you know, what's not working and create something that is in much more harmony like oh my god.

36:44.40
Devon
Um, yeah.

36:57.78
wildremedies
Yeah I need to live in one of those houses I feel like it would just be so amazing. So amazing. Yeah.

37:00.89
Devon
Ah, it would be really cool. It would be really cool to like I would love for someone like if you lived in one of those houses if you were to document how you felt every day like I'd be so interested to to know the effect it had on your mind and body.

37:14.10
wildremedies
Um, men and.

37:17.54
wildremedies
Seriously I mean okay, just even for example, it wasn't even like a cobhouse or anything but I was down in Vancouver a month or so ago for a conference and the airbnb that I stayed in. Was backed right into like the rainforest and so like it's just a regular house but still like it's completely surrounded by trees like you hear the creek in the background Twenty four seven and like and it's and it's a little bit darker too because it is quite forested but like.

37:38.19
Devon
Um, Wow yeah.

37:50.78
Devon
As when.

37:55.70
wildremedies
Oh my god my sleep was so good. You know and I still live. Um, ah you know I'm in an area of Canada that is like still very beautiful and whatever but it is more in town and even though this was like.

38:05.99
Devon
Right.

38:09.89
wildremedies
And North Vancouver like it's still technically city. But it was backed into you know for me like those rainforests are just the most magical places like on the planet. But like though I could literally immediately get those healing frequencies and just be like chill as fuck rested up like just felt so.

38:16.88
Devon
Oh my God Yeah yeah.

38:29.89
wildremedies
So amazing. So yeah, like it doesn't have to be Yeah yeah, well, it's just it comes in through the house right? like you get the turpenes from the trees and like.

38:30.41
Devon
Um, yeah, like you're so full.

38:39.11
Devon
Yeah.

38:41.77
wildremedies
Know it's just the smells and the sounds and all of those things I mean there's so much science around like the brain waves that are changed just from listening to birdsong. You know it's that's natural like natural state of like what like we are supposed to be like literally barefoot running around in the Bush.

38:51.16
Devon
Um, oh yeah I believe it? Yeah yeah.

38:59.79
wildremedies
Ah, further that we get away from that the sicker we get.

38:59.89
Devon
Um, yeah, yeah, so my friend um did she was micro doing microdosing for a while and um, there was one morning she messaged me and was like the cause of like all. Suffering and illness and pain like it's disconnect. It's it's disconnection like that's that is the root of pain and I was like yeah that's very simply accurately put like if I think back 2 times.

39:23.41
wildremedies
Um, yep.

39:36.61
Devon
That I was in pain it was its disconnect with myself it someone else with the world around me, you know it, you're right? and I think I think exactly what you're saying first and foremost it's with yourself. It's complete disconnect with ourselves and yet you just can't be that way when you're surrounded by nature. It's just it's on its.

39:40.65
wildremedies
E. And and yeah.

39:55.24
wildremedies
Yeah, honestly, yeah once you start to commune with nature and create a relationship I think that's really the most important part. It's not just about like going out I mean in the beginning it can be but really creating a relationship and like you know.

39:56.31
Devon
You can't.

40:04.85
Devon
Has.

40:14.42
wildremedies
When I'm out in the forest like I'm talking to all the plants right? and I mean this is just my energy like I'm just big fairy energy. It's it's my jam. Yeah, but yeah I mean and it is. It's so it's so magical there.

40:20.72
Devon
I Love well when you were talking about the rainforest I was like there's fairies like that's the I'm just getting like fairy images in my mind I Love it.

40:34.16
wildremedies
But like you know when when you're really paying attention like you notice the smells right? when you open your eyes and like you pay attention to things you go for walks and you see little flowers that you want to pay attention to and say hello to and you know the mushroom that might pop up that you get curious about and just really creating. That childhood wonder there's a book that I'm reading right now. It's called inner wisdom. It's really amazing by this woman named Carrie Hummingbird and she's gonna be coming on the podcast here soon but she talks. Yeah she she talks about in her book. How.

40:56.31
Devon
Um, yeah.

41:06.63
Devon
Um, oh that's exciting.

41:11.88
wildremedies
What we're really trying to do is come back to how we were as children where we just have like this sense of awe in wonderment in the world around us and I'm always like that when I'm in nature like that that is just my permanent state and.

41:19.39
Devon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:30.56
wildremedies
I just want more of that in my life and but I want that for everyone because there are so many people that are walking around that just never experience that and I know what that's like I know what it's like to be disconnected I was there for fuck. 2 almost 3 decades of my life like very disconnected or I would have little pockets of it but I was very disconnected and that was when I was at my very very sickest too. But the more yeah awe and wonder and magic.

41:46.40
Devon
Yeah, get.

41:56.33
Devon
Um, yeah.

42:01.33
wildremedies
That we can bring back into our lives and all of that for me anyway is is found through nature. That's really where where it all lies.

42:07.17
Devon
Yeah, um, it's funny. You're reminding me I listened to this podcast on on being you know that that podcast um, really good and I can't remember I had to look up his name but he was the psychologist that helped with. You know the movie inside out. It's with like it's I think it's Pixar but it's like they take emotions and they personify It's actually similar to my book but they personify them into like there's like joy and sadness and disgust and fear and anger and they like follow this.

42:45.79
wildremedies
Um, ah okay, it's good see.

42:46.29
Devon
Girl and yeah, it's it's adorable and it's really like well done but they she on the podcast. She was interviewing the psychologist that worked um that worked with them to like make sure this was. Sound like from every level level. Oh dochner Kelner that's his name and he Docker Keltner yeah and he wrote a book on awe and it's so interesting because he goes through like he he he like.

43:04.24
wildremedies
Um, and.

43:10.37
wildremedies
Me and this.

43:20.26
Devon
Did studies and interviewed people and everything for the book and the number 1 thing that brought awe to people was actually other people which I found so surprising and nature was like up there of course right? because again, it's like kind of a given.

43:33.30
wildremedies
And yeah.

43:37.12
Devon
But I I found it so and he did too I mean the the conversation was around how that was not what they were expecting. Um, but but a lot of it was about actually like people like I've stopped to think about it now and it's when you see somebody either.

43:41.79
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

43:55.90
Devon
Like doing something out of the goodness of their heart right? right? You're just like damn that is so pure and that's a-inspiring um or wonderful right? Or there's the things of like um someone being resilient.

43:59.81
wildremedies
He.

44:12.12
wildremedies
And.

44:13.95
Devon
Or like going after something that matters to them. But when you think about it. It is all connection. It's either. It's either like they're connecting with their community or another stranger and it's like it's like those um they remind me of that account on Instagram and there's a bunch but like good news or whatever and it's just they're like.

44:29.70
wildremedies
Yeah, and then.

44:32.70
Devon
Replaying right? like the stories that make you want to cry because there's like strangers helping strangers or these really incredible things happening because of some person. Um, yeah so I've just been thinking about that more and when you bring up like awe and wonder I'm like I feel it so much in nature and I Wonder. If as I continue that practice and I regulate and I'm more connected with myself will I be able to see some of this connection with people too like in those really small ways even just someone like you know holding the door or helping someone out like.

44:57.97
wildremedies
In it.

45:06.87
Devon
Ways that I wasn't ready to look for it yet because I was disconnected myself I.

45:11.70
wildremedies
Um, yeah I love that I'm very surprised as well that that is you know, kind of the the top thing just because I feel like we don't.

45:21.74
Devon
Um, I know right? that was.

45:22.47
wildremedies
As much or maybe because we are so disconnected and I the time so like to me, it's that just seems like more of a thing. But yeah I mean when you do so you know hear of those heart felt warming things or or stuff that just seems very. Magical or or or awe inspiring and you see it through the lens of like another human being.. There's a lot of medicine in that for sure I will yeah that'll be great. Ah.

45:46.80
Devon
Yeah, yeah, exactly you well said. But yeah, definitely check that out I'll I'll send you the link when we get off but it was It was such a good podcast. Yeah.

45:58.34
wildremedies
Well jeez we've been talking for 45 minutes about everything but moon cycle bakery and I need to hear about nickel bakery. So let's let's jump into that I want to hear about the products First of all and then we need to talk about the cookbook.

46:03.10
Devon
Um.

46:09.91
Devon
Um, yeah, okay so mooncycle bakery it kind of goes back to what we were talking about before when you were saying when you switched your diet it was. It wasn't so much that um you weren't eating meat. It was like about that you were eating whole foods right.

46:23.62
wildremedies
A.

46:26.30
Devon
And that is very similar to the the Moon cycle. Um the way it was built in the sense that well it really started with this acknowledgment um of the cycle and something That's so often stigmatized you know, ah judge not. Not advocated for certainly and and not even addressed in a lot of senses and so that's really where it started I was like I want to create a company that I don't know sees but women humans Menstrutors like I don't know why we just like deny this thing happens this very miraculous thing happens. Um, and why we have no education about it. So That's where it started and then I wanted to when it came to like the treats and everything because I have been on the Ceilingal Journey I wanted it to be nourishing in as many ways as I could make it. Um so I started teaming up with nutritionists and that's where the whole foods element came in so we started looking At. Menstrual Cycle the different phases and the certain micronutrients that drop or shift. Basically when our hormone shift and then we looked at foods that help to replenish some of those micronutrients So It's It's things like you could think of um in ah in a way of um magnesium right? like. Near when you're nearing your period a lot of times you crave chocolate that's because Chocolate Ti and Magnesium and when our progesterone drops we usually lose our magnesium along with it. Um, yeah, right? And it's kind of again that into it's your body's so Smart. It's a system So like it's so intuitive what you need, um.

47:43.59
wildremedies
And then.

47:49.31
wildremedies
Oh I didn't know that. In this? yeah.

48:00.94
Devon
All the way through things like when our serotonin and dopamine again in the luteal face tend to drop ah complex cards can help with that So like try a sweet potato you know, or yeah, just it's how how to bring yourself that comfort while listening to what your body needs and understanding. To the best of your ability. What's happening. Um, yeah, so we started Creating. We treat created treats and we have like a delivery service which we've now stopped in the last year and a half but we created all these treats that we would deliver with this kind of process in mind.

48:35.29
wildremedies
In.

48:37.70
Devon
And then now we have the dry mixes so you can still buy the dry mix and make these treats at home which I actually kind of like better because then you can make them yours even more right? like you can substitute whatever you want or need to I have so many customers who will like send me pictures um of them doing it with their kids which is super fun. Um.

48:44.44
wildremedies
Yeah, and.

48:57.50
Devon
Yeah I like I like that It's a little bit more you can practice it like in your own home a little bit more. Um, so that's a product and then Moon Cycle Cookbook came from that and and that is just a cookbook of of basically everything I've laid out so it it is organized by the phases of the mensrual cycle.

49:01.58
wildremedies
Ah, totally.

49:16.46
Devon
Goes into again a bit of the education of what's happening in your body. Um, the certain micronutrients you might want to help to replenish the the symptoms you can have and why that might be happening. Um, it goes into ah the emotional aspect of things and we some of the more spiritual So there's. Rituals in there to help you ground down to come back to yourself. Um, and then there's the the many wonderful recipes to supplement that.

49:34.00
wildremedies
In.

49:40.56
wildremedies
I Love that and so the products like so when we're talking treats. We've got like cookies and muffins and all of those things.

49:51.61
Devon
Yeah, so we had like yeah cookies brownies. Um I Actually so now we have cookies, brownies and um, like ah truffles chocolate truffles And yeah, they're probably our bestselling and.

50:05.58
wildremedies
Booth.

50:08.87
Devon
So delicious. Um, and a Kitchenie mix which I really like um, it's really great I Love Kitchenri It's it really really is and it's like it's nourishing on every level I find um and we made it. Yeah, we I worked with the nutritionist. Um.

50:13.70
wildremedies
Um I Love you view Kit tree. It's so veryifying.

50:20.60
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:28.45
Devon
And we made it with lentils we like we made it a little we we shifted from like the um you know cultural version of it a little bit. Um, but it's so good and we made it with um like at that point with like postpartum people in mind and.

50:36.33
wildremedies
Can ned.

50:46.89
Devon
But again, it's like anything. That's we even had like an oatmeal cookie same thing to help with with um anecdotally like people find that eating oats helps with creating grass milk. Um, but it's also delicious like it's funny because when we we were at events I used to have men come up and be like well can I hate these and I'm like yeah, it's food like.

50:55.46
wildremedies
Here.

51:03.30
wildremedies
Yeah.

51:06.94
Devon
It's great for anyone and and in any place at any time. It's just like nourishing food that's going to make your it's and it's delicious. So hopefully it will make you happy and you know support your body.

51:15.21
wildremedies
Do are there herbs and adoptogens and things like that in them as well or.

51:21.69
Devon
Yeah, we I don't do them in the dry mixes. But I do um, they're on the back you can see of the package. It's optional and it's recommended so we work with in our treats. We used to have them. We worked with um root and Bones Alyssa Melody She is an incredible.

51:34.75
wildremedies
Yeah, here mean.

51:39.26
Devon
Person let alone like powerhouse. Um, she is so wise in all things Chinese medicine and creates these incredible adaptogens like as as she really respects like the culture and the wisdom of it which I really appreciate and and.

51:44.81
wildremedies
Nice.

51:57.97
Devon
How she like where she gets them from and everything. Um, so we used her adaptogens so we used to have like corryceps Reishi um, what else so we have there was one more that we had I can't think of it right now.

51:58.24
wildremedies
So. Well.

52:15.46
Devon
Um, oh maybe Maka at one point. But yeah, there's like we had certain Adoptionss along the way. Yeah, yeah.

52:17.75
wildremedies
Um, nice. Yeah I love that cool and then so people want to try the product like do you predominantly just sell online now.

52:33.46
Devon
Yeah, so you can go to? Um, we actually we're in a store in Canada I can't remember yeah I can't remember this was a while ago. Um, but I had a friend send me a picture maybe like a few months ago that cheep I found them in there and I was like oh that's so exciting.

52:49.19
wildremedies
Cool.

52:51.34
Devon
Um, but yeah, you can always get them online at mooncyclebiggray.com yeah

52:53.71
wildremedies
No, very cool, amazing and so the cookbook just a few quick questions about like Tet tell me about the process because I was sharing before we got on here that like a book.

53:04.00
Devon
Um, yes, please.

53:13.18
wildremedies
Of some sort has been kind of percolating in my mind and but it seems daunting like it's a big project. How like how how was the process for you and like like what what was your experience through through birthing that.

53:20.80
Devon
Um, and I.

53:30.18
Devon
Um, yeah I think I've gotten really lucky with my books because I've so the cookbook in particular I had Jenna who's the nutritionist that came up with the recipes helped with the education. Um, she's incredible and so we were a team which was.

53:46.20
wildremedies
And then totally can go.

53:48.11
Devon
It's always helpful when you know collaborating is my preferred method. Honestly, so ah, it didn't feel it actually didn't feel daunting and it was one of those things where like you know you talk about you see it. You feel it I Very much find that to be the case.

54:07.36
Devon
And my experience I actually had ah a meditation and I was holding a cookbook and I was like interesting and then I never I didn't do anything I Just you know went about life and then I was with my husband we were traveling and I had this really big download of um.

54:11.84
wildremedies
He.

54:25.45
Devon
Need to write a book and it actually wasn't the cookbook. It's the second book I just published and I was like I'm going to bring I'm going to file a literary agent when we get back and I'm going to do this and I found a literary agent and she liked the second book but was like you have a really big platform for this cookbook. Why don't we start or for that for a cookbook. What would you ever be interested in that and I was like yeah, just.

54:39.52
wildremedies
A. Yeah, cool.

54:44.85
Devon
Meditation I would write one so sure. So it wasn't really like you know it was one of those things where I I was like that'd be awesome, but it it just worked out when the timing was ready um and then from there. The process is pretty easy I mean like it was I was lucky to have the literary age and I have and.

54:54.42
wildremedies
A.

55:03.90
Devon
The book to publishers once we've teamed up with a publisher. Um Jenna got going on the on the recipes which I would say is probably the most like labor inducive right? Um, there was one weekend where we meet Jenna and Kristina who did the photos for the cookbook got together. The. For a full week just hung out in this really amazing cabin and middle of nowhere of ofstate New York and just took like cooked all the food and took all the photos and yeah I was like I I was like my body has never has not been this happy I like yeah this your your.

55:32.32
wildremedies
Um, and so I bet but.

55:41.32
Devon
Like you're eating the food you're cooking and you're creating with like these other women in it was just really magical. Um, and um, yeah, and then we brought it all together. So yeah, it was I think it's one of those things when you know.

55:42.93
wildremedies
Yeah, and.

55:59.13
Devon
That it's meant to be it really does just it's work. But you know what I mean I know you do like it stills seamless in in a respect.

56:03.59
wildremedies
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah I think for myself. Um I make it feel more done because my background I'm a designer as well, right? And so like I started my career in print. So in my mind I'm just like well if I create something I have to do the entire thing all right I mean I probably would want to right? I would want to design the cover and just because that's how I am right? So I would probably literally design the entire thing which is a lot so it would probably take.

56:23.98
Devon
Right.

56:31.57
Devon
Um, yeah, so you so you know.

56:39.27
wildremedies
Take me forever. Ah.

56:40.77
Devon
Um, yeah, and I think that's why having a it was funny because we had the book went to auction which means like we had 3 publishers who were bidding on it basically and 2 of them didn't want to do pictures at all. they wanted to do um yeah they wanted to do because

56:47.98
wildremedies
Um, you have to have pictures for a cookbook you have to.

56:58.84
Devon
That's that was exactly how we felt and and I'm right there with you I have a design and I have a background in design and so I was like I Exactly like you're saying like you. You know you just you know you're like I know what this needs to look like and I have to stay true to it.

57:03.32
wildremedies
But.

57:10.55
wildremedies
Yes.

57:13.87
Devon
And so we went with the publisher that was like no, we're good with pictures and it was the smallest of the advances but I was like I don't care I I care about this book. Um, and so yeah I think what I liked was then in that respect I had a publisher who trusted me and and I was so lucky for this because it's not always the case.

57:18.16
wildremedies
Yeah.

57:33.45
Devon
But the publisher trusted me because I was I was the like I created this brand so they knew that I knew this brand I knew what typography I knew the colors I knew the mood I knew what photographer to hire and they let me do that but then they took it all and put it into the book. And that was like like we got to choose kind of where some of the photos went or which photos were chosen but I didn't have to to your point like put it all together and that was such a saving grace. Yeah, it was Great. It was like that collaborative again where I'm like I can't because you're right if I had to do that I don't think this would exist.

57:54.92
wildremedies
Really cool. That's kind of cool.

58:03.98
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, Well thank you for sharing that because that definitely kind of makes it feel a little bit more possible for for me because the type of book that I would want to do would include. Foraging and medicinal information and like that's already quite a lot right? So like to also style and photograph like all of that stuff and I've I have experience in a lot of those things but I don't think I would want to do all of it because I would go Crazy. It would be too much. Yeah.

58:24.79
Devon
Um I love it. Um.

58:34.90
Devon
Um, yeah.

58:39.61
Devon
Oh oh my God Yeah yeah, absolutely. Um yeah, you're wise you know your capacity I think it's the best thing I think that's like wonderful because then yeah, you know exactly where you need to fill in or who to work with. Um yeah, no I am always down to like. Ah yeah I just.

58:42.79
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah. Ahead.

58:57.45
Devon
It is so possible right? like I feel like I'm proof that it's possible like I'm no different than you and I in it. It happened so like you 100% can and will make this cookbook. It's really just a matter of time and how it comes together just super exciting.

59:10.16
wildremedies
Yeah, totally Yay! Thank you for that? Ah well oh my gosh we're at the end of our time already I feel like I could just talk to you forever and we didn't get to the topic that like I still really wanted to get.

59:22.97
Devon
Um, knows just go from.

59:28.66
wildremedies
2 which is you being an end of life doula now I think we should have you back on to have a conversation about diet because that's like a topic that I love.

59:33.59
Devon
Um, oh you know? Yes, oh I would love that. Especially yeah and I'm gonna be um I'm just starting to volunteer at at hospice. So I'll have lots more to talk to you about yeah when I yeah.

59:50.36
wildremedies
Are you? Okay, that's it do are you familiar with Stephen Jenkinson oh girl okay um he's's been on the podcast I'll send you the episode.

59:51.14
Devon
Yeah, no yeah I won't write this and.

01:00:02.78
wildremedies
But look into his work in particular a book that he wrote called die wise 10 out of 10 recommend the audio version of it. He's a poet and a singer and so the whole thing like it's just it's literally poetry. Um.

01:00:08.36
Devon
Um, okay I ones are they have.

01:00:19.81
wildremedies
Always talk about how how embarrassed I am on the podcast when he came on because like he's just he's an elder and he's so wise and he's so deep and like you ask him a question and then he just weaves this like intricate thing and then.

01:00:20.30
Devon
Um, ah.

01:00:31.28
Devon
Um, yeah.

01:00:37.98
wildremedies
Ends up answering the question like but by the time he's done talking after you've asked him a question. You're just like in a completely different space and like all you can really do is be like whoa and I don't think it was I've heard him on like other podcasts too where he just makes like.

01:00:48.96
Devon
Ah.

01:00:52.79
wildremedies
The host just kind of sound dumb because like he's just so wise like it's just daunting talking to him for sure but like his work is amazing. Um, he was a palliative care educator and a.

01:00:56.33
Devon
Um, so wise Yeah, those are like my.

01:01:08.65
wildremedies
Death Doula for many many years here in in Canada and yeah, educated a lot on that. But yeah, definitely recommend his his work. But yeah I'd be so excited to hear your experience. Yeah.

01:01:14.24
Devon
Um, amazing his. Yeah yeah, I'm going to get this audio book. Thank you for that and thank you for pushing the audiobook because Audiobooks are great and some of them to your point are like.

01:01:26.28
wildremedies
Oh oh yes, yeah, not a lot of them are awesome like that. But there's a few that I always recommend because they're really entertaining or they're just very well done and that's definitely one of them for sure.

01:01:29.99
Devon
Just such an experience. So I love them. People are like it's great, but and do the audiobook.

01:01:43.61
Devon
Um, yeah, amazing. Thank you.

01:01:44.78
wildremedies
Yeah, ah, awesome. Well okay, so for people that want to check you out. Want to check out the products want to check out the cookbook. Oh and you have another one coming out soon. Don't you dwell this came out in april.

01:01:56.56
Devon
I just yeah, just came out in April eighteenth so it's it's a newborn. Um, and yeah, yes, if you want to check any and all this out. So the mooncycle bakery cookbook is you can buy that off the website at mooncyclebakery.com and our products as well or you can get it. You know in any bookstore Amazon whatever float trip but basically my second book is um on my website as well. Which is Devin Loftisrights Dot Com but that's the other another one where you can get it Barnes and Noble Indigo actually um so I know that's in Canada right.

01:02:30.39
wildremedies
Oh amazing.

01:02:32.69
Devon
And yeah, yeah, that's where I got I by what my son actually we have an indigo right? hereby where we live to see the book and yeah bookshop. You know that just the places that you like to to shop for books. Um, yeah, so those 2 places.

01:02:41.34
wildremedies
Yes.

01:02:47.40
wildremedies
Wonderful! Awesome! All right? Well it was yeah I'm so glad we got to connect and have this chat today. It was really lovely and yeah, definitely please. We'll we'll have you back on to to talk about.

01:02:50.90
Devon
Well thank you so much Krista this was such a fun conversation.

01:03:03.30
wildremedies
All the death do list stuff because I think it's so fascinating. Awesome. So for anybody listening make sure you share this episode with somebody that you feel would get some value out of it and we'll catch you all on the next one thanks guys

01:03:04.59
Devon
Yeah, that would be awesome.