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00:00.00
wildremedies
Mark my friend. How are you I am so psyched to have you on the wild remedies podcast.

00:07.81
Mark
I'm so excited to be here I'm doing well I have a sunshine on one side and not ah this is I'm like 1 hand is totally lit up. Um I'm excited to be here I'm lit up.

00:16.42
wildremedies
Yeah, just tilling a defino back in Canada.

00:20.13
Mark
Yes, yes, made my way back North which is comes with mixed feelings.

00:24.99
wildremedies
Um, yeah I feel. Yeah well we're going to chat a little bit about that today I wanted to have you on because of your unique experience as a former pharma rep and also as a human relationship expert. And I think your perspective on what's gone on in the past three years um specifically with the pandemic is really important. It needs to get into as many ears as possible and just thank you while I have you here. Just thank you so much for publicly raising. Some very logical concerns about some pretty fucked up shit and abusive behavior that we've seen from our quote unquote leaders. You know in the past little while hair and it's sown a lot of division that I think it's time to heal and um.

01:00.25
Mark
But.

01:17.66
wildremedies
I'm just really hoping that our chat today can open up some eyes some hearts and just broaden the perspective around a conversation that really should have been a conversation in the first place.

01:28.33
Mark
Right? It should have been always had not. It should have been had by people in places of Authority It should be modeled by people in Authority and ah and when I say Authority I don't just mean politicians I mean.

01:35.51
wildremedies
And.

01:42.30
Mark
Should have been facilitated by academic centers. It should have been facilitated by political parties. It should have been facilitated by Public Health Um, but what's really been modeled is an absence of conversation that if you want to have a conversation then you're anti or your selfish or you're.

01:49.18
wildremedies
And.

02:00.42
Mark
Really created these binaries that were prisons man it was hard to escape. You know it's kind of like with the freedom convoy if you were supportive of the freedom convoy which so many men I saw eyes light up in Canada and then all of a sudden I saw it just robbed from them just like taken from them by saying all of a sudden. It's a racist.

02:05.78
wildremedies
A.

02:15.95
wildremedies
You know.

02:20.35
Mark
Movement you know were there people involved in the in the movement that that had ties to yeah like point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one you know, but to erase a whole movement and so you saw that weaponized by mainstream media. You know I never was.

02:30.43
wildremedies
And.

02:39.83
Mark
Highly critical of Mainstream media before I was not one to I'm I'm not polite I'm I wasn't political I have always had thoughts about Pharma since I worked in it but I wasn't you know, largely outspoken about it.

02:41.15
wildremedies
Me Neither are.

02:58.17
Mark
But the last three years have really alarmed me I've seen more now I think all the corruption that that is so implicit in western nations. You know it's obvious in other countries but it's not obvious here and I think we're starting to see the power of lobbying the power of.

03:11.42
wildremedies
Um, and.

03:17.63
Mark
Corporations in these places. Yeah.

03:19.75
wildremedies
And yeah, yeah I know it's been.. It's been very heavy to witness for sure. Um, but before we dive into all of that. Why don't you tell everybody who doesn't know. A little bit about your background and your current expertise.

03:37.86
Mark
Um, yeah, thank you thank you for having me here and ah my background is I mean I I very early on in my life had a very keen interest in understanding relationships. But that was more. Just for myself to understand how to be successful in them and I also was super curious about sales I loved studying how to manipulate human behavior I mean let's just call it what it is I loved learning how to get people to switch from one product to another. And became my like young first I wasn't my first job but 1 of my first jobs was working at an electronic store called future shop which is kind of like the best buy of the United States and you know we wore suits. We sold extended warranties. It was like the 40 year old virgin a little bit and it really was. I learned so much about influence in that job I mean that was honestly probably the best sales training I ever had because I had like 2 or 3 sales trainings there I worked there for years while I was in college and then I got out of college and I started as a pharmaceutical rep which I really liked I was a rep for.

04:48.63
wildremedies
And.

04:48.67
Mark
Almost fourteen years and you know I really grew up in the company that I worked at I spent my I started when I was 22 I was one of the youngest reps and won lots of awards was really good at it and um I started I had a relationship in that was romantic and. didn't know why I didn't know why I wasn't good at them I didn't I didn't know why when it ended I felt like a failure when I at the same time also felt liberated so that was a weird paradox to hold. Um, so I started to study them because I thought no one's really prepared me for this. No one's taught me these skill sets. you know I you know I'm blessed to have.

05:13.85
wildremedies
In.

05:26.28
Mark
Had parents who you know were pretty good at engaging in Dialogue and my father always asked me lots of questions about my heart which I think is rare for men and but yet.

05:33.66
wildremedies
Again.

05:39.12
Mark
Just felt like in catholic school or in school in general were not taught how to relate I was taught things like the pythagorean theorem but I was not taught how to handle conflict how to turn it into deeper intimacy. How to um, hear my partner I wasn't taught any of that. Why do I get defensive. You know all these really important skills. So ah, long story long I guess in studying romantic relationships I went back to school took positive psychology which is essentially the psychology of understanding. What's right with people and I just thought no one's telling the truth. So I started to write. And I started to speak and I started to share and that did really well it started to explode and then I left my work because also looking at pharma I was thinking well when I look at the research one of the greatest causes of diseases inflam I mean the greatest cause of disease is inflammation and inflammation. 1 of the core components of it is emotional dysregulation and conflict in relationships not understanding ourselves trauma and so I thought I can't work in an industry that's about putting a band-aid on something that we can get to the source of and if we could all learn how to relate better I mean gosh that would be.

06:37.88
wildremedies
And.

06:55.48
Mark
So liberating for everybody and so that I've been doing for the last 10 yeah almost ten years and I didn't know that the crossover of being a farmer rep would would actually be so interesting. You know when I watched the pandemic unfold. I was like everybody else you know I was watching these videos from China people falling on their faces and I thought wow this fucked up like I don't I'm afraid of getting this and then. They said they were using the pcr test and I used to sell a product that used the pcr test. So I'm like wow you can't use that for diagnostic purposes and I knew how it worked and I wanted to know what cycle thresholds they were using because as Anthony Fauci said anytime you go above 35 it's just dead nucleotide. You can basically find a positive if you magnify enough but people can learn about that test on their own that's a whole other can of worms but that was the first kind of flag and then when I knew people getting covid they weren't falling on their face and that was another flag because I was like.

07:49.56
wildremedies
She.

07:56.19
wildremedies
A.

08:00.58
Mark
This is interesting and then I started to see that when they promoted it to pregnant women and I was like well that data is not there yet like you can't so just say you can use this that didn't make sense to me and the way I saw people reacting to me sharing and wanting to discuss it.

08:03.93
wildremedies
E.

08:18.98
Mark
Was also a really big red flag for me because I thought these people are being taught through the language of government and public health to dismiss and attack. Anybody who poses any question and so yeah that it was just such a calamity. You know it's like.

08:32.13
wildremedies
Are a a.

08:38.79
Mark
Like Domino fall after Domino's fall and you know for a bid I silence myself because I was like wow the momentum of this propaganda is is crazy like people are so reactive but the data. You know that I've spoken about from the beginning lockdowns didn't have any data I shared that I was more concerned that they would cause more harm than they would benefit I'm on the record saying that very early and they did exactly that when you look at the infection fatality rate.

09:02.77
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

09:08.40
Mark
You know you kind of go Well this doesn't make sense for people below a certain age to take on the risk of an unproven intervention I Also saw that people were starting to become like little pharmaceutical reps that was super interesting because when I sold products you'd get these things called objection handlers and they basically would.

09:10.59
wildremedies
A.

09:25.69
Mark
Give you an instruction of what are the most common objections we get for this product and then you'd get what study to use to overcome the objection How to structure your language and overcome overcoming the objection and I saw the exact same thing happening in Public health. So I'd see.

09:27.18
wildremedies
A.

09:42.77
Mark
Let's say for example, 1 of the most common objections early on was there's no long-term data these are new objectively, that's actually very true They've never been on the market before and mrna vaccines have never successfully There's never been a successful product on the market so that was true. There was no long-term data because. Ah, long time hadn't passed. That's that's pretty simple. Ah but I instantly would see someone say actually that's not true and Mrna vaccines have been around forever and they'd all have these sort of like canned responses. So that's how we got here and now we're here and.

10:01.91
wildremedies
And you know.

10:19.35
wildremedies
Um, yeah I know I had well I had a very similar experience and for me in my human design I'm like the investigator right? so.

10:20.78
Mark
Yeah.

10:33.41
wildremedies
I didn't really I don't know I didn't identify with that right away until I actually did a reading and then I don't know how many times I said during that call you know the time that I Um, you know my research here and when I when I looked into this and this research that I did and I was like okay maybe maybe maybe there is something to that.

10:46.82
Mark
I Like researching I think.

10:52.99
wildremedies
Oh my god yeah clearly but it was the same thing for me where I was just kind of like something doesn't seem right here and I was just looking at the data that was clearly stated on the government of Canada's website right? and I'm just comparing these graphs to you know. Flu over the past ten years and I'm going like huh. Okay, yeah, and there's all of this information coming out right? and it was scary I mean like I remember for myself too I was like holy shit like I remember wearing like gloves in an elevator like I was scared to touch shit right? like.

11:16.28
Mark
Is this a pandemic. What? yeah.

11:30.60
Mark
Right? yeah.

11:30.72
wildremedies
Everybody was wigging out. Everything was close like I remember when the gas prices crash and I was like okay like it is fucking armageddon like I've I've never seen anything like this and it was just eerie everybody. There was like the fear was just palpable. There was so much of it energetically right.

11:37.88
Mark
Now. It was very much. So.

11:48.53
wildremedies
And so it was a very scary time but still there was something in me, it was like my well you know me just taking a look at some data but also my intuition and although there was fear there I was like something is just not adding up and then thankfully there were some doctors that you know started speaking out a little bit. Um, one in particular that I absolutely love and I don't know if you've chatted with him I think maybe you have but Dr Zach Bush

12:14.62
Mark
Um, oh Zach. Yeah I had him on my podcast a couple times he just made it. He just gave us such perspective on viruses how they work how they're actually often collaborative with I mean we have trillions of things going on all the time bacteria. You know it's such a.

12:17.75
wildremedies
Ah, he's just yeah yeah.

12:32.16
Mark
Yeah, he was incredible. He really made I think when voices started to speak up. We just felt less alone because that inside voice that wasn't allowed outside got validated and I think it woke a lot of people up or not even woke them up but gave them permission that might be a better.

12:36.49
wildremedies
Yeah, and.

12:49.43
wildremedies
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure I mean I just found him in particular, you know, really knowledgeable and 1 thing that still sticks with me and you know we've seen this exact thing play out that he said you know three years ago

12:49.79
Mark
Way of seeing it.

13:02.36
wildremedies
You know viruses run their course in 2 years and like they become less. Yeah like they become less deadly over time and you never vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic. It's just all what you do and my whole thought process. This whole time was like okay so we see that this is.

13:03.53
Mark
He said I had last.

13:20.26
wildremedies
You know, definitely something that we want to protect a certain portion of the population from and then there was also data coming out that you know there were certain underlying Health conditions specifically with obesity and things that were also contributing to people having yeah having a bad outcome.

13:33.30
Mark
Elderly obesity. Yeah.

13:36.90
wildremedies
And so I'm going like okay well why are we not protecting those people specifically and why are we shutting down the entire world for this which just caused so much damage like just so so so much damage. It's just mind boggling and now and now they're like oh yeah, now they're admitting it.

13:43.75
Mark
Paint.

13:51.38
Mark
Yeah, that.

13:56.60
wildremedies
Oh maybe this wasn't the right choice.

13:58.56
Mark
There's no clear data to show that it's closing schools lockdowns. Obviously we know were totally harmful. You know and and that was the idea was I could understand the first two weeks. We'd never been in this circumstance Blah blah but no pandemic preparedness plans.

14:13.47
wildremedies
Are.

14:15.15
Mark
Which they just threw out a window by the way I interviewed ja btacharya who's a professor of medicine at Stanford you know in public health who that's what he does and he was one of the co-authors of the great barrington declaration.

14:26.88
wildremedies
Um.

14:29.73
Mark
You know Julie Panesi who's the professor of ethics at used to be at at I forget white university I think Waterloo no western at western and she yeah right and she was saying that.

14:32.18
wildremedies
Um, yeah, love her. Oh my God and shocker.

14:45.86
Mark
It was a violation of medical ethics to be mandating things anyways and people can have their own opinion on that. But what was interesting is she said that formally we judged whether someone could speak out about something based on their credentials. They have a master's degree. They have a ph d they went to Harvard Stanford you know all the you know.

14:58.21
wildremedies
And.

15:05.33
Mark
Classic Oxford but she then made the point that no longer was Authority determined by credential. It was determined by agreement if you agree with a narrative you had authority if you didn't you were seen as a grifter because the three. Ah.

15:14.33
wildremedies
7

15:22.94
Mark
Authors of the great Barrington Declaration are Dr Gupta Dr Kdorf and Dr Bautacharya and they that's Stanford Harvard Oxford like 3 prominent epidemiologists public health doctors.

15:31.51
wildremedies
And.

15:37.99
Mark
And people just I mean if anyone's seen the emails got released of Francis Collins talking to Dr Fauci saying we need to do a very public takedown of these 3 fringe epidemiologists I'm not making that up. That's not a conspiracy theory. You can go look it up and and that was very early in the pandemic.

15:47.38
wildremedies
Yes, yes.

15:56.76
Mark
So that shows you that there was a concerted effort to cancel all dissent. It also played really well into what was going on culturally culturally cancel culture and the inability to dialogue was already pretty magnified.

16:02.42
wildremedies
Um.

16:14.31
Mark
And this just fed right into it and public health officials they use what are called nudge tactics nudge tactics are known. You can Google it. There's lots of studies on nudge tactics. There's psychological tactics to influence behavior and of course when you're thinking about public health. That's actually an important thing right? You want to influence behavior in order to reduce spread blah blah blah all these things but you're actually not supposed to exploit fear. There is an ethical line and in the u k they were seen to have violated that completely recently there were some ads that came out from. Ah.

16:50.52
wildremedies
Oh my gosh I just saw walls.

16:50.69
Mark
The city of toronto that are they're awful. They got deleted right away by the city of Toronto but there I have them saved. They're a perfect example of dark manipulative exploitive fear-based nudge tactics. So those are actually when you.

17:03.38
wildremedies
Are.

17:09.64
Mark
When you consume humans with fear you consume them with cortisol you consume them with um inflammation from the cortisol from height and state and actually your body just responds in an inflamed way and.

17:25.92
Mark
You then make it so they really have a very narrow window of tolerance. Their nervous systems are jacked window Tolerance is the ability to dialogue. We know it in romantic relationships when our window of tolerance closes because we're reactive we're defensive. We're critical or whatever and so we sort of collectively became that.

17:29.97
wildremedies
A.

17:45.37
Mark
And the collective nervous system of the population was very collapsed and then what can you do when people are embedded with fear. Well, you can you can get them to attack each other you can divide them and that happened to romantic relationships that happened in friendships that happened in communities cultures.

17:56.60
wildremedies
He.

18:04.83
Mark
It happened in whole nations and I think that's a very large disservice to humanity and it was toxic I mean we're going to look back in history I hope and be like Wow What were we doing.

18:12.86
wildremedies
Um, me.

18:19.88
wildremedies
Yeah I know one can only hope my one of my biggest fears is that I mean there's already so much. That's been covered up right? and it's like I don't know what it would take in order for the truth to really come out. But I think we're still. Ah, ways away from that unfortunately but you know that's why it's important to have these conversations are.

18:43.94
Mark
It's coming I mean you can't hide excess mortality. You know you can't hide that. There's a lot of cardiovascular outcomes that are pretty obvious but you know again, it takes physicians speaking up.

18:58.14
wildremedies
Ahead.

18:59.80
Mark
That's what it takes you know and it and may who knows maybe we'll be saved by insurance companies because of their actuaries. But I mean who knew we knew that that might happen rain like the nemesis of of exploiting insurance on our outcomes and then they're the ones.

19:06.64
wildremedies
Ah, can you imagine? ah.

19:15.72
Mark
Who are like wait these premiums need to go up and so who knows but you know there's a lot of confounding factors I Just saw a recent study on long covid that the theory is that it's the spike that creates it Well the spike from the vax or Covid can lead to these symptoms that.

19:18.96
wildremedies
Um.

19:35.33
Mark
Are sorry autoimmune like and I thought isn't that interesting. It's like so confounding. It's going to be so hard to delineate the difference which I think I don't want to say is nefariously on purpose but it is convenient because I'm not 1 in defeating.

19:35.65
wildremedies
A.

19:43.80
wildremedies
A. In here.

19:53.28
Mark
Deep conspiracy theory I'm just 1 into being like that's interesting that coincidence but everything that I thought you know you were talking about things that sort of made us wonder because again I was like everybody else I was reading the clinical trials.

19:56.54
wildremedies
In here.

20:07.48
Mark
Was making an assessment is this for me is it Not I'm not Anti-vax I've got all my vaccines in my whole life when I go travel and then when I read the trials I was like no this just doesn't make sense from a risk benefit for me.

20:11.57
wildremedies
A a.

20:19.66
wildremedies
Yeah.

20:21.85
Mark
And I saw that it never was proven that it reduced transmission. So I'm like it doesn't do that I know it doesn't do that I read the trials and then I saw them saying it did and I was like you're not allowed to say that like there's not an indication in pharma in that industry when you create a clinical trial or you create endpoints in the trial. It's going to show this. And when you prove that with statistical significance. You can say that you can apply for a grant or sorry for approval from Health Canada the Fda to be able to say this thing reduces this or it does this absent of evidence. You can't say that it's actually illegal to sell anything out of indication in Canada.

20:59.20
wildremedies
E.

21:01.24
Mark
And so when I saw the public health doing it I was thinking to myself. Wow like public health is becoming a marketing arm of pharma because it's illegal in Canada to sell direct to consumers too. But yet I keep seeing that happening from public health and the other red flags for me were.

21:07.15
wildremedies
Has.

21:20.46
Mark
On top of the testing and the inability to dialogue about anything. There was also that um there wasn't allowed to have any conversation even about its origin. You know I thought that was really interesting like why wouldn't we want and how we measure death.

21:31.43
wildremedies
A.

21:39.75
Mark
Like if if someone dies from covid or sorry with it just happens to be ah, ah they test positive but they already palliative they have like three months to live and they die in three months they'll say they died from covid. And I thought wait in a public health crisis like a pandemic I'd never been in one of those but I would imagine you'd want the cleanest possible data like you'd want to know is this from this or is it from that and also I really wanted to know why when someone got vaccinated and had a side effect.

22:02.53
wildremedies
And.

22:15.30
Mark
Were they not allowed to discuss it like and immediately physicians if someone died with Covid they were like Covid did that. But if someone died right? after the vaccine they didn't do the same thing and if you saw every single Politician maybe not every but.

22:15.42
wildremedies
Are.

22:28.90
wildremedies
E.

22:34.84
Mark
Almost every if they had Covid They had the exact same line. You know I could have covid but I'm so grateful I got my shots and stay up to date on your vaccines and if I didn't get it. It would have been so much worse. There's no science in that like it's so.

22:37.31
wildremedies
A.

22:54.13
Mark
It's hard to not say but it is like it's stupid and I thought it's really funny because if someone took iver mactin and they said oh I took Iver Matin I'm so glad I did it would have been so much worse. We'd all call them horse-paced lovers. You know like.

22:54.89
wildremedies
Um, oil. Yeah.

23:00.21
wildremedies
And.

23:08.61
wildremedies
Yeah.

23:11.29
Mark
Just shows you that if we can't critically think about these things then we're going to end up with so much dissonance like so the world doesn't make sense and when the world doesn't make sense. We feel very unstable and we're actually agreeing to live in a world That's not based in reality that's like.

23:19.96
wildremedies
Um.

23:26.91
wildremedies
A.

23:30.49
Mark
Every abusive relationship ever. You know.

23:34.24
wildremedies
Yep, yeah, absolutely and you know it's really interesting talking about abusive relationships because a lot of these concerns that we were voicing at that time and being canceled and ridiculed and all of these things are now coming out as truth.

23:49.75
Mark
Brave right.

23:51.28
wildremedies
Right? So like I believe Ira Mechden is now listed on was it like the Cdc website as one of the top therapeutics or some were not top but it's on their website now.

23:55.72
Mark
Now.

24:01.26
Mark
It was listed. It was listed as an investigative drug so that wasn't necessarily true. How people posted that it was listed as under investigation or under clinical clinical trials. But it did recently have a study come out showing significant.

24:08.36
wildremedies
Okay.

24:16.43
wildremedies
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:18.61
Mark
Productions and mortality I believe in hospitalizations like I remember the exact endpoints but there is a recent study now that did show it. Yeah which you know you think about what's that joke that a conspiracy theory just give it six months you know so they're both, they're mainly they're basically premonitions and.

24:30.20
wildremedies
Um, yes, yeah.

24:36.61
Mark
What an interesting use of that language. You know they did change the definition of vaccine in order to accommodate Mrna injections. You know again, there was the other this is gene therapy if you said this was gene therapy. You instantly got the pharma rap objection handle. It's not. It's a vaccine.

24:42.71
wildremedies
That was mindblowing I was so fucked.

24:51.20
wildremedies
And then.

24:55.44
Mark
But it is actually gene therapy and we should just be able to accept that I don't know why there's so much concern like just when you can't connect to the truth. You're not, you're in La La Land you're not in reality and then you can't make great decisions and don't we want to make good decisions I mean that's.

24:55.77
wildremedies
3 now.

25:05.92
wildremedies
A. Yeah.

25:15.11
Mark
This is people's health. This is people's lives. They should be able to discuss things informed consent is necessary I'd love to hear the recordings of every single Physician and pharmacist who sat down with the people who got this and did they get full transparency did they get all the possible risks especially early on.

25:19.81
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

25:33.76
Mark
Was it absent of losing a job losing belonging I mean gosh the amount of coercion. It's It's really hard to even process how we get here.

25:42.19
wildremedies
Um, yeah, yeah, Absolutely yeah and that whole concept of like being cast out right? like I remember. First time because I was I was quite outspoken on on my social media. Just yeah yeah I mean I don't have a big following like like you do. But I still I just I couldn't.

26:01.73
Mark
I Know you were It was great hey that doesn't minimize it That's still, there's significant psychological risk speaking up and you know whether someone chooses to now or chose too early. It doesn't matter. It's just.

26:15.79
wildremedies
Um, oh yeah, absolutely yeah and I remember I remember the feeling in my body like there was something that I wanted to share and I was.

26:20.95
Mark
We have to speak up to break the spell.

26:33.69
wildremedies
I was I've I felt physically ill like I was sweating it was almost like coming out in a way well because I did share something once on Facebook I usually don't use Facebook at all. But I posted something on whatever my wall. Whatever it's called and it's interesting because. You seem to get a lot more comments that way than if you're posting on your stories. It is wild. Yes, yeah, but I mean I posted something and it was just it was something curious because there was some post somewhere.

26:57.81
Mark
Facebook is more reactive to I find because it's so older. It's an older demographic too. It's different.

27:12.72
wildremedies
And people were talking about reactions that they were having to to the vaccine and so I just reshared it and I was like you know this is really concerning. You guys. Um, you know I I know that I'm seeing this in my community like are you guys as well and like and from family members like just immediate. Hate and like people like you you know and othering othering othering and and from my own family too that I was just like totally blown away from I seriously.

27:42.11
Mark
Why is that not a helpful question that you're asking right? like like in ah in an in a regulated time where people's nervous. Systems are regulated. That's actually a very helpful question if so if it was about birth control and we said hey I'm seeing this.

27:55.74
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

27:59.81
Mark
Imagine what happened when there was all those tauratogenic effects of um oh man I Forget the product that was used in it was used for morning sickness in pregnancy.

28:10.30
wildremedies
Oh right? and there was all the birth defects and stuff.

28:14.00
Mark
Imagine if you had posted if Facebook existed at the time and you had posted and you got attacked I mean again, that's the psychological manipulation of the collective gaslighting attack anyone who opposes government or public health.

28:16.64
wildremedies
And.

28:30.29
Mark
So it's brilliant from a marketing standpoint like you can't from a propaganda perspective. It's fucking brilliant but it's terror. It's so traumatizing for you. It's so traumatizing for the person who's actually saying like that guy who was the professional Mountain Biker who got.

28:31.34
wildremedies
And.

28:40.37
wildremedies
He he.

28:48.53
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

28:49.50
Mark
Vaccinated and then he couldn't compete. He was a 3 time national champion I believe yeah and and he got vaccinated. He became so he became suicidal and I remember a friend of mine saying oh he just wants to be famous.

28:53.73
wildremedies
Yeah, because of his injuries that was so heartbreaking. He's just sobbing. Yeah yeah, ah.

29:07.46
Mark
And I'm like he already was famous. He was a 3 time national champion mount like he was famous for what he loves not famous for losing what he's loved. You know that that to me just showed the ah the level of psychological. Um, just how how hard it's been on people.

29:10.33
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:26.90
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

29:27.31
Mark
Because I you know I don't necessarily villainize people for that I just say Wow who created this because they're the ones who are actually responsible but we have to ah we're responsible for waking from our own spell to you know people aren't absent of responsibility. They can't say well I was I didn't mean it or.

29:34.10
wildremedies
Um.

29:40.20
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

29:46.82
Mark
Because you look back and like I don't know was there anything I'm not talking about the like serious extreme conspiracy theories like the vaccine has bots in it I'm just saying like the things like hey they're going to have vaccine passports. They're going to have.

29:58.46
wildremedies
No, right.

30:04.52
wildremedies
And.

30:04.74
Mark
Hotel quarantines camps in Canada they're gonna do this. They're gonna they're gonna split us apart. They're gonna put all of that came true. Yeah, and.

30:18.30
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, but it was like people had no problem with it right? Especially folks that complied because then there weren't any detrimental social effects for them and so well, it's not affecting me.

30:33.42
Mark
Well, they want the privilege for doing good too right? You know there's that righteousness they I mean they weaponized righteousness they weaponized the goodness of people You're a good person if you do this, you're taking care of grandma.

30:38.10
wildremedies
And yeah, yeah.

30:50.74
Mark
And then that means if you didn't You're not and so people who really fought the coercion I just men I have so much admiration and even if people got it and didn't want to I still have admiration. There's not like a structure or a hierarchy a man to whistand that.

30:51.89
wildremedies
Has.

31:06.85
wildremedies
Um, a.

31:08.57
Mark
To to know your own goodness I mean that is so inspirational I Just say it makes me emotional to even think to go against like seriously the greatest psychological operation in. Human history and we could argue the motivation is for public health compliance sure but it still was the greatest psychological operation in human history.

31:30.43
wildremedies
Yeah, it truly was yeah I mean it's definitely hard and I mean one of the blessings I feel is that it's really allowed me and I feel like a lot of people who stood their ground during um. This whole scenario is that you kind of you were able to find a tribe and I think that's important I Also feel you know, even though there are friendships and families and things that have been damaged through this. Um. You know it does provide an opportunity for some personal and spiritual growth right? Um, yeah.

32:05.97
Mark
Yeah, and they can be deepened. They can still be deepened if both people are willing to take responsibility for the aspect of their contribution which is interesting because you think about it. It's like my experience. Is that yeah one side of it and I hate to say side but like the people who are more pro-choice ah have are being asked to really live in Grace to have grace for.

32:37.40
wildremedies
A.

32:42.50
Mark
That people were hijacked psychologically to have grace for the shadow and darkness that is in everybody and that is really you not have reverence I was listening to Frances Weller the other day who's a psychotherapist and he calls himself a soul activist which I think is great. And he said to live with reverence I mean that's it. That's the goal and what is reverence he defines it as protection. Love and compassion. So reverence requires protection so it requires boundaries it requires values that we stand upon and so.

33:01.70
wildremedies
Ah.

33:20.75
Mark
You know I think people are really being asked to find grace and reverence which is fucking hard to live when you're mad. But you really have to let that Anger Cook you you got to direct it towards um just finding so much humanity in yourself and in the people who you feel wronged by.

33:24.47
wildremedies
Ah.

33:38.13
wildremedies
A.

33:40.40
Mark
I'm not saying this is easy work by the way anyone listening like oh yeah, okay I'll just eat that shit sandwich. That's what it's like you know.

33:50.53
wildremedies
Ah, ah yeah, yeah, and don't don't don't expect. You know that that apology either right? like it's figuring out how to I just I know for me I don't feel like I'm going to be getting any from you know some of my friends and family and I have to make peace with that.

34:04.10
Mark
Right? And and let it be right? Exactly you know it's like can I live can I Love you know I I Really do have a lot of compassion for people who were hijacked by it because again who.

34:08.49
wildremedies
Yeah.

34:17.28
wildremedies
Yeah.

34:20.73
Mark
It was very hard to stand a chance against what's happened and so it really again requires that depth of I mean that spiritual practice that's loving your enemy That's realizing you're not enemies like that's division succeeding.

34:24.61
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

34:35.49
wildremedies
Yeah.

34:38.22
Mark
And this is about letting that melt away because we just take on the same identities that other people take on. You know we might create opposition with someone which makes us both sides are righteous. You know and righteousness is not connective.

34:53.26
wildremedies
No yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Um I did a podcast earlier this week with one of my spiritual advisors. You know she's she's psychic right? and so she like channels.

35:05.80
Mark
Um, yeah, no, that's cool.

35:08.90
wildremedies
Messages and things and it's very cool. She speaks something called light language which is very very very amazing. It's so cool. Um, but I asked her at the end I was like what do do you have like a message for the collective like what can you share with with everyone or what wants to come through.

35:28.29
wildremedies
And she said the biggest thing right now and I'm seeing this a lot in in the spiritual community. Um, there's just this overwhelming message of unity right? like we need to heal. It's time to come Together. Unity is the most important thing. And for me like on a spiritual level because I always bring it back to that. It's like yeah, we just went through one of the most fucked up things I think well keep well it was it.

35:53.17
Mark
So fucked. Ah talk about a collective initiation.

35:56.62
wildremedies
Yeah, for sure right? and there are a lot of people that are waking up. There are a lot of people that you know felt like they had no choice during you know everything that that happened and there continues to be more things that are brought to light. That are waking people up and it's it is so hard like that awakening in itself like you see these memes on Instagram where like there's like a little girl or something getting like flung around like a merry go around and like she's I know she's so cute.

36:29.88
Mark
Ah, what little Asian girl. It's so good. No one.

36:34.35
wildremedies
Or like that one girl she's like on the zip line and she's screaming and she's like oh my God Oh my God This is so amazing that she's like no no, no no I hate it I hate it and then it's amazing. Oh my oh it's hilarious I'll send it to you? Um, but like it like an awakening is so.

36:39.71
Mark
Um I haven't seen that one you are to send it to me.

36:51.33
wildremedies
Fucking hard and painful especially when the institutions and things that you have come to rely on and trust your entire life. You realize are just corrupt as fucking hell right? and like for me I've always.

36:54.27
Mark
It's the hardest.

37:03.48
Mark
Yeah, yeah.

37:06.10
wildremedies
Well not always, but because I've had to go through a health journey my entire life pretty much I already knew that a lot of what is being pushed by um, you know Western Medicine and pharmaceutical companies really doesn't have. The greatest good in mind for people right? like these are businesses. They want to make money they they don't make money when you're well right? They sell you something that gives you another symptom and then they sell you something on top of that for that symptom and then on and on it goes and I think like to to me. It's just wild that people haven't figured that out.

37:24.27
Mark
Right? They're profit driven.

37:41.33
Mark
Right? It it takes it right? exactly like it just takes the perfect moment. You know it's kind of like you could read a quote a thousand times. But if you're not open and receptive to the teacher to the book to the thing.

37:42.34
wildremedies
Yeah, right? like it's just you know you kind of have to go through a process though. Yeah.

37:58.28
Mark
You're not going to. It's that moment I get people all time and are like I wish I found you five years ago I was like there's someone saying what I I'm saying five years ago you just weren't ready and that's okay to stop trying to wish you woke up earlier and just fucking breathe all that beautiful air and because now you know I think I really think that true.

37:58.51
wildremedies
Um, yep, who.

38:08.25
wildremedies
Yep.

38:18.20
Mark
Liberation is just being able to be this filter between is it true. Do I accept that belief that thought that could be about anything you know for me, it was waking up and realizing what does relationship mean for me is it what I was told.

38:23.52
wildremedies
And the.

38:33.79
Mark
Or is it what I want is it what I want to create I don't inherit good relationships. It's not something that's found that I'm lucky I create them and so how can I be more compassionate and curious about someone else's perspective because you know if someone was terrified wearing those weird double.

38:39.41
wildremedies
And.

38:51.27
Mark
Mask things where it's like looks like they're around agent orange. You know like I don't have a judgment about that I want to know why are you so afraid because there's a fear that maybe they have a health fear likely they have a fear of dying and and whatever fuels that.

39:01.20
wildremedies
And.

39:10.41
Mark
I mean I think one side is afraid of dying and that someone else will create it and the other side is afraid of losing sovereignty and that someone else will take it so really people are orienting around similar values. They're just orienting totally differently and so.

39:19.69
wildremedies
Ah, yep.

39:24.54
wildremedies
Yeah.

39:28.17
Mark
I mean this is just magnifying. What's already existed. Implicitly, yeah, it really makes you see what people are capable of when they're scared I think we look back at different wars and different things and we go. How could anyone get to that place and as Sam Harris says in his book free. Will.

39:29.83
wildremedies
Here.

39:38.35
wildremedies
A.

39:45.41
Mark
We look at someone else's life and we look at the homeless person who's on heroin and we go just quit just get a job. But if we traded places with them sell or sell experience for experience. We'd all be the heroin addict on the street you know and that that gave me a lot of context that argument because I thought.

39:49.79
wildremedies
E.

40:03.25
Mark
Isn't that so true we project. We project our own free will into other people's lives not taking into account their Traumas and so that's just a really that's a challenge. It's but man do we ever want a label like I was better I did this better I'm better I'm more awake.

40:14.18
wildremedies
Um, yeah, and.

40:21.34
Mark
Remember someone saying that to Marianne Williamson what happens if you're more awake than someone else. How do you wake them up and she said why do you think you're more awake. Maybe they're saying the same thing about you, you know and thought that was just kind of be brilliant. You know we don't know until we. Don't know like it's such a ever awakening thing like you said you like see the systems are corrupt and you think it's just one you think it's healthcare and then you're like oh wait. It's the food industry. Oh wait. It's it's almost all because.

40:46.94
wildremedies
A.

40:57.40
Mark
We atail as old as time is the people fighting against the top point one percent them trying to impose their will to help us. It's always under the guise of helping which you know for the good for your own good is the excuse of every tyrant.

41:03.40
wildremedies
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:16.71
Mark
You know so that's a.

41:19.35
wildremedies
That's interesting. Yeah, you know I feel you know you mentioned sovereignty and now more than I mean this is always something that should be cultivated I feel. It's tough though because a lot of people seem to want to give their power Away. You know to other people to authorities to health professionals and it's frustrating for me. Um, as somebody that has just gone through a really tough journey already understanding like nobody's nobody's going to help me but me.

41:50.73
Mark
Right? Health with right? no.

41:56.62
wildremedies
Right? Like I've been at the point where I'm just like you know in bed suicidal I'm on 8 fucking prescription medications and the doctors are telling me that I'm just always gonna be sick or going in my goodness like saw a cardiologist for something I was like why the fuck do I even need to see this cardiologist but my doctor sent me because. Was having an issue with a hormone and he's just like yeah okay, cool. So what we're Goingnna do is. We're just going to get a catheter and we're gonna fish it up the artery on the inside of your thigh and just you know take some pieces of your adrenal glandzo and then whichever one is excreting the most.

42:25.33
Mark
Yeah, your quad and yeah.

42:36.20
wildremedies
Um, Aldosterone. We're just going to cut it out and I'm going like okay this is really wild and I'm going I have had a lot of stress in my life like do you think that the excess amount of aldosterone that my adrenals are excreting have anything to do with. Really traumatic breakup that I went through because I was dating somebody who was in a cult which you know was very traumatic and all of these things and he's just like absolutely not that is absolutely not the reason. But.

42:59.39
Mark
That'll do it.

43:03.90
Mark
Wow. Meanwhile your intuition is like that's exactly the diagnosis. Fyi you know.

43:09.42
wildremedies
Well and that's the thing and I think the intuitive aspect is really important too and for me I saw a lot of parallels with what was happening and this you know toxic relationship that I was in a few years ago was a gift in many ways because we just saw a lot of cult mentality happen right? and I watched this happen in my own home the one that he was in. Um, oh gosh it's I don't even want to say it I don't even want to because.

43:31.79
Mark
What cult was it was it the the one from the vowel. Yeah can you share it. You don't have to share it. Yeah, don't don't even bother. Don't even but let's not give energy to it.

43:46.98
wildremedies
But it's essentially it's this creepy old dude who calls himself the reincarnation of Jesus and Buddha and all of this shit and he gets people to buy like really expensive. Yeah, like it's just it's wild. It's yeah, it's the the insanity is very apparent but I was like you know I had these red flags but I was like oh you.

43:52.93
Mark
No, that'll do it.

44:08.14
wildremedies
I'm never chosen So I'm just going to shove that one under the rug and just pretend that that's not happening because I've never really had a significant relationship before and it feels good on lots of other levels but I'm just going to ignore this and ignore this and ignore this but inside my intuition is.

44:08.16
Mark
Yeah, yeah.

44:18.63
Mark
L.

44:24.84
wildremedies
Reaming at me being like yo bitch like you need to get out of here. You need to get out and I was like well my goodness I mean it ended up. He just snuck home I was out of town one day and just packed up his shit and ran off and I never saw him again which created a lot of trauma for me because major abandonment.

44:26.36
Mark
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna give you a health problem instead.

44:40.17
Mark
Yeah, yeah, abandonment. Yeah.

44:44.61
wildremedies
Yeah, um, and so you know I learned my lesson right? here's what's happened here's what happens when we self- abandon and for me this was you know through this process with the past three years I couldn't do that to myself again, right? It felt like self.

45:00.71
Mark
And.

45:03.91
wildremedies
Abandonment I could see what was happening. You know it looked different but it was almost like I had a similar experience although it was very uncomfortable and you know took like a year and a half to heal from I needed to see that and um.

45:09.60
Mark
That's beautiful.

45:21.87
wildremedies
Yeah, it was reflected for me again. It was very tough but this time I stood up for myself and I'm so fucking proud of myself for doing that.

45:24.59
Mark
Beautiful. Yeah, that's I mean that's so beautiful. You think about what are in the moment. Our greatest Traumas can be are often or actually you know hidden liberations the moments that.

45:41.55
wildremedies
And.

45:44.70
Mark
We're being invited to explore look at you know change and what a beautiful Thing. You know there's a saying that the opposite of trauma is choice and you know you made a choice which is really beautiful and that's why you know some of the repairing of Traumas is just keeping small promises to ourselves. It could be. Making our bed every day and it seems like such a small thing but actually what it does on a very significant level is it says when I say I'm going to show up I Do I keep my word to myself and so it's this little commitment of integrity that.

46:06.15
wildremedies
Um.

46:13.56
wildremedies
And.

46:21.70
Mark
When push comes to shove you start to build the muscle that says I got me and so it can start with simply making your bed and it can also be a total massive reclamation by leaving or you know saying no more it doesn't it can be subtle but it can also be this super.

46:25.36
wildremedies
And.

46:40.11
Mark
Powerful 1 decision one day and what a powerful thing for you to observe it about yourself. That's you I mean it sounds like you are inspired by yourself. But I mean that's such a beautiful story and here you are and here you are imagine looking back at the the woman who.

46:50.15
wildremedies
Yeah I mean I don't know. Yeah yeah.

46:59.94
Mark
Packed up from and left I mean they're totally different but the same you know, like 1 hasn't the wound is fresh and doesn't realize the wisdom in the wound and here you are now with the wisdom like integrated. You know I think a lot of why we have been.

47:02.33
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

47:12.46
wildremedies
Um, man.

47:19.66
Mark
You know you were talking about people giving up their sovereignty to Authority Well a lot of that is because we are infantilized. You know we are not. We are treated as children by our governments by the people who say we know what's better for you than you do by our parents by.

47:30.87
wildremedies
E.

47:39.24
Mark
And so we don't go through initiations to grow up to actually become adults and Frances Weller talks about how you know we're basically an adolescent culture and that's so true because like if we were in adult relationships I'm not saying people aren't but I'm saying if we weren't although a lot of people aren't.

47:51.62
wildremedies
Um.

47:58.64
Mark
If We weren't We would say if you speaking your truth and you sharing to me what's real for you in what way does that take away from mine like in what relationship would I not want you in your most bounded most self-expressed most embodied. Most impassioned self I mean I don't lose anything all I actually do is gain. But if I'm living in a scarce world and I need you you to be predictable I Need to know you're going to be here always because you made a vow.

48:21.26
wildremedies
Are in.

48:34.67
Mark
Then I'm going to try to control you and that occurs in in all types of different dynamics. We could be the controller. We could be the one who's being controlled but either way neither are sovereign because they both require the hook and so this work that we.

48:35.18
wildremedies
A.

48:52.67
Mark
We are always being asked to do interpersonally romantically collectively. It always comes back to can I honor you as a being as a sacred being and in doing that I honor myself and I also can consciously and explicitly say. That's something I want to share like I want that to be an agreement and a value of our relationship. You know I look at the people some of the people I love most in the world were vehemently against some of the thoughts I've had were vehemently against the choices I made and.

49:16.19
wildremedies
And.

49:30.64
Mark
Remember saying to 1 person specifically I really love and respect your opinion I can understand where you're coming from and I respect your choice and they said back to me. Why don't respect yours I said well then we're not even on the same. We're not even in the same place because I'm in unconditional love and you're welcome not to be there. You're welcome to not respect my choice but we can't dialogue because there's not actually mutual respect like I'm here listening to you and really taking in your fear and your anger but you're not listening to me.

49:50.90
wildremedies
A.

49:58.60
wildremedies
A.

50:05.82
wildremedies
Yeah.

50:07.87
Mark
And unless we can get to that place of Mutual respect. We're just not and there's just been such a lack of that in both directions there really has I just feel like it was taken from one direction you know? and so I think for a lot of people. There's collective trauma that we're all experiencing.

50:18.89
wildremedies
Yeah.

50:26.95
Mark
And then there was like a subset of really traumatized people who've been excluded and othered and this has happened through. Yeah I mean if you add on all the different intersections to that I mean I'm a white straight guy I don't have all the intersections that someone else can have.

50:31.57
wildremedies
E.

50:39.90
wildremedies
He.

50:45.56
Mark
Think of marginalized communities. You know what are the lowest vaccinated group in the United States african americans who are most affected by mandates marginalized communities you know and I was told when I was speaking up that I was I was privileged.

50:50.20
wildremedies
He.

51:05.15
Mark
All they see when I speak up is privilege and I said you know I don't understand that I see silence as a privilege because the people being most impacted by these are not the laptop class. They're the people who aren't positionally given as much power to their voice.

51:14.54
wildremedies
A.

51:20.94
wildremedies
Here.

51:23.13
Mark
And so like if I don't use my voice am I not exact am I not enacting privilege and my friend who said that to me was like yeah actually I see what you're saying because I just don't for me I Just kind of go Wow like.

51:28.44
wildremedies
Yeah, yeah, oh well, let's go and a little validation.

51:42.35
Mark
There's so much trauma already and it's like there is a way out though you know it's not like there's just a left and right wing and a pro and ante the problem isn't how do we get the left to see the right or the pro to see the Ante It's that even in that idea of that.

51:42.75
wildremedies
A.

51:50.50
wildremedies
A.

52:02.13
Mark
Dichotomy or that binary is that there's not this massive space in between and that actually is it. It's like bring nuance back Throwback Thursday's nuance you know like throwback Thursday dialogue.

52:09.25
wildremedies
Um, yeah, and yeah.

52:19.18
Mark
But dialogue means we have to put down our arms and we have to actually be willing to be wrong. We have to be willing to be compassionate. We have to be willing to be vulnerable so that's hard.

52:30.10
wildremedies
Yeah, absolutely Well I mean that kind of leads into I guess we'll have to make it Maybe my last question because I think you have a hard stop here soon. Don't you? Um, but that yeah we got a little bit of time. Okay.

52:40.90
Mark
Like 8 minutes

52:45.67
wildremedies
That would be um, okay so with all of this. How can we start to repair the relationships that that have been ruptured So I mean you just mentioned like both parties need to be willing right.

53:01.31
Mark
Yeah I mean there has to be a breathing into our um, our own humanity. There has to be. We're people are wounded regardless of what their position is they're wounded. They're feeling not included. They feel like they don't belong. They feel like they're not seeing eye to eye.

53:08.56
wildremedies
And.

53:16.70
Mark
And think one of the reasons for that is that we think that agreeing with one another is actually love or connection but actually love is being able to hold 2 different views and actually see the intelligence in both There's a saying from Jonathan Haidt in his. He probably shares it in his his new book. But I've heard him on a couple podcasts talk about it that his rabbi said that beyond 2 thoughts feelings opinions is a third and it's seemingly wiser than the first two and I love that because it really shows you in the podcast that he did with Barry Weiss it was called.

53:44.71
wildremedies
And.

53:52.16
Mark
How America got so stupid in the last ten years and he basically was saying that the cancellation of dissent like the inability to allow dissent actually makes both sides more dumb and so.

54:00.98
wildremedies
Are a.

54:08.64
Mark
Part of repairing relationships is actually having a conversation and sitting down with people and understanding. How did we get to where we were because you know I think about it like if you kicked out a family member of yours because they voted for a certain politician.

54:18.20
wildremedies
Um, a.

54:25.13
wildremedies
Yes.

54:26.20
Mark
Then that means they got you like division got you shouldn't we want to understand why more than 50% of americans voted for someone like let's say Trump because that's usually the subject used as opposed to just wanting to reject everybody.

54:39.84
wildremedies
Um, yeah, and.

54:43.95
Mark
Who has a different view than us in Mark Woland's work where he talks about inherited trauma. He talks about how anything you reject in a family system a human system will always go underground and reroute and get more powerful.

54:58.36
wildremedies
A.

55:02.21
Mark
And so our families are not necessarily places where truth comes to be held right? Like let's be honest, Dad's an alcoholic Uncle Blah Blah blah diddled people. You know like and I'm not minimizing any of these things. Um, but it's like what happens generally in families and cultures especially very religious cultures which.

55:09.15
wildremedies
Um.

55:21.51
Mark
Culture and religion are often synonymous and you think at the ethos of so many cultures like Canada there's also colonization. You have all of these things that the society is actually structured generally to not talk about in families. We take on roles to not deal with the dad who's the alcoholic.

55:36.91
wildremedies
Um, yeah, um, yeah.

55:41.12
Mark
Or the mom who's a narcissist. What happens is is everyone takes on a role So The human system can function function. Everyone can stay alive and maybe that's orienting around the alcoholic's needs or the angry person or the narcissist or the addict or even the person with the chronic illness which is a hard paradox to be stuck in. Because we feel guilty that we're not a priority but we know someone's Ill and so what happens is is everyone orients around this one thing and and everyone's survival strategies and personalities are created in order to not talk about the elephant in the room.

56:17.20
wildremedies
A.

56:20.45
Mark
And so healing family systems. Healing ourselves is actually being able to point out the thing to be able to call out the truth. It's the artist. It's the artist because it's what is seemingly an abandonment of your role and your duty.

56:25.25
wildremedies
That shit is so hard Mark so hard.

56:36.30
wildremedies
Are a.

56:39.40
Mark
Is actually where reclamation occurs like the greatest rebellion can and have is to begin to just question to just to accept reality. But so many of us were raised to ignore reality in order to function like our religions not as unconditionally loving as it says are our. Dad's abusive or whatever it is then to be able to connect back to reality is actually a giant. Um, it also requires rage it requires mourning it requires deep grief.

57:13.80
Mark
But man that's that's like what connects you to the totality of the human experience like a good life is not just joy a good life is actually experiencing love on such a profound level that you experience the pain of it.

57:28.13
wildremedies
A.

57:31.21
Mark
You know it's like having if you've ever had an animal and your animal dies. It's like 1 of the most painful things but that is like 1 thing to trade for all of the wagging tails and all of the licked faces and you know it's like we look at love and we go well I lost it or. And experiencing this grief I wish I'd never had it but even in relationships that might even feel manipulative or we were misled there still was a truth to a feeling you know and we spend so much wanting to erase it so we can erase the grief or cling to just the good. We're not really seeing the wisdom that exists in the grief. You know did I love correctly did I love in the right direction did I have boundaries did I had reverence the protection you know it's easier now I think to look back at the last three years and go okay.

58:17.70
wildremedies
A.

58:27.10
Mark
Now we're ready to look at. Where's the wisdom but when you're in the middle of a trauma and that's you can't It's like when someone loses someone you say everything will get better. It's all going to be all right and you're like get fucked. Yeah, and so maybe we're.

58:27.54
wildremedies
A.

58:38.43
wildremedies
Ah.

58:42.34
wildremedies
I Know not feeling.

58:46.20
Mark
Kind of almost there I think we're getting there where we're able to now look back and do an assessment and then hold the people who were very manipulative and to accommodate themselves. We can hold them to account.

58:51.70
wildremedies
Here he.

59:01.30
wildremedies
Um, yeah, ah well thank you so much for this conversation. It was very enlightening. Yeah I So appreciate it.

59:06.48
Mark
Thanks for having me. We just thanks for creating the space to even have this conversation. You know it's not a common you know don't hop on a lot of podcasts and they're like tell me about your thoughts on the last three years of emotional trauma I'm like oh let me tell you.

59:25.88
wildremedies
Ah, oh we're getting it. That's usually what it's about right? people don't want the controversy. Yeah.

59:26.28
Mark
Um, like tell me how you stop attracting unavailable people I'm like well informed consent would be good which that would actually be quite relatable to that. Ah, but you know.

59:41.48
wildremedies
Ah.

59:44.29
Mark
The irony is that all of our relational patterns are again just symptoms of where we don't choose ourselves So we think it's about the unavailable person. We think it's about the dating narcissus. We think it's about these things but what you always find.

59:49.60
wildremedies
And.

01:00:00.72
Mark
In the curious adventure of understanding yourself and your patterns as you find yourself and more of yourself more of your totality more of your love more of your boundaries more of whatever there's a great quote from Richard Rohr where he says that when you go on a journey to find god you find yourself.

01:00:03.98
wildremedies
A.

01:00:19.45
Mark
When you go on a journey to find yourself you find God they're not separate processes and I've always I only really kind of understood that recently or was like Wow everything is about restoring what's sacred and that's it.

01:00:22.64
wildremedies
Ah.

01:00:34.61
wildremedies
And.

01:00:36.67
Mark
And don't know that there's anything more. It's like to just remember and live with reverence for yourself because if you're not living with reverence for other people. You're not you don't have a sacred relationship with yourself if you can step on an ant. You haven't yet found that relationship with yourself Mosquitoes I don't know about them.

01:00:46.42
wildremedies
A.

01:00:53.54
wildremedies
Um, fuck those guys.

01:00:55.40
Mark
You might be able to custoke. Yeah I've tried to find the spiritual mission in them. But they love me. It's like can't like I don't really consume chemicals but men all take a good spray of off if I really need it.

01:01:01.45
wildremedies
It's hard.

01:01:11.24
wildremedies
Especially the summer in Canada we had so much rain, especially earlier in the summer and I was in the Kootenneys couldn't even sit out settle was like oh went on a trip I'm like oh I'm just gonna like lay out my little blanket and do some meditation it was like no no, not happening. Ah, it's brutal.

01:01:17.77
Mark
Um, oh now outtown. Yeah yeah, if you're in like Nelson around there. Yeah yeah, again valley it's so bad. But.

01:01:28.56
wildremedies
I was around I was in Slogan. Yeah.

01:01:34.69
wildremedies
Ah.

01:01:35.30
Mark
I mean the beauty of it right? It's hard to sit outside though when there's tons of mosquitoes and I think that is maybe the ultimate spiritual quest I can't do it without spray. Sorry.

01:01:44.21
wildremedies
Right? Yeah I think so ah, ah, all right? My friend? Well how? yes thank you so much for being here and how can people connect with you.

01:01:51.92
Mark
Thanks for having me.

01:02:00.63
wildremedies
What do people usually go to you for I mean like where you were mentioning dating advice. All of those things I mean I think a lot of people already know who you are who are going to be listening to this but can we can you help people find their voice if they feel like you know, standing up standing up for themselves.

01:02:14.84
Mark
Yeah I mean my work used to orient around romantic relationships I mean people still find me due to that a breakup a loss of wanting to dive deeper in their relationship but at the end of the day as I said you always find the same thing.

01:02:24.94
wildremedies
Is.

01:02:34.45
Mark
And so yeah, my work is really shifting to be more about really actually just saying like hey if you want to step into your power find your voice create something monetize your purpose Do what you love be who you what you want? That's the work that I do and if the avenue is through a breakup.

01:02:34.51
wildremedies
Um.

01:02:50.37
wildremedies
Um, and.

01:02:52.28
Mark
Have a course for that if the avenue I have a course called rediscover your wholeness that's really just about for one month just living in integrity and you just can't go back. You know like you said you're you're like living in this space now where you can't leave your integrity integrity is liberation.

01:03:00.28
wildremedies
E.

01:03:07.99
wildremedies
Yeah, no.

01:03:12.50
Mark
it's it's alignment it's ah everything. So yeah, they can find me at create the love if they want more specific psychological breakdowns to the what's gone on the last three years I have an Instagram called 8 smart groves.

01:03:27.88
wildremedies
Are.

01:03:30.45
Mark
But those are starting to kind of merge now I don't know what it's going to look like that's the beauty of creating. You know it doesn't have to look a certain way and people go Well, that's not good branding and I'm like I don't give a fuck because because all these rules you're supposed to do are just what fuck people up So I'm like Nah I'm going to do what I want.

01:03:34.71
wildremedies
Had.

01:03:46.92
wildremedies
Are.

01:03:50.30
Mark
Um I have a podcast where I interview specialists things in relationship area of a lot of stuff that I interviewed about Expertise in Covid Um, and then.

01:03:59.93
wildremedies
It's so good by the way. Thank you for that kept me fucking sane.

01:04:05.33
Mark
Yeah, you know I'm gonna do a solo episode just in talking to you. It just really reminds me to be in integrity with my own voice I'm gonna do a solo episode on like what was my journey of awareness in the last three years because I think a lot of people who um.

01:04:15.37
wildremedies
He.

01:04:22.59
Mark
May not agree with me which is totally fair and and I and I respect they just might not have a window into what was my process that I'm not just like some fucking guy who hopped on a train thinking and there's bots in a vaccine like that's not at all my process.

01:04:40.29
wildremedies
Um, it is.

01:04:41.60
Mark
It was like I actually went at it from a scientific perspective and I just couldn't I just couldn't make it work like it just wasn't making sense and and it doesn't make sense so when something doesn't make sense I'm not going to abandon my own mental health I'm going to call out the thing that doesn't make sense.

01:04:42.80
wildremedies
Um, yeah.

01:04:59.87
wildremedies
He gave me.

01:05:00.93
Mark
Um, which is again a tale as old at time. So I embrace this belief that's destructive or destroy yourself So no like liberate ourselves from Beliefs that don't make sense. Thanks for having me I Really appreciate it. Yeah.

01:05:09.42
wildremedies
Up full. Yeah, wonderful. Well everybody that was the wonderful Mark groves and so glad if you made it to the end of this episode I hope I hope. You have a new perspective and understand the way forward is unity right? like that's that's what we need to focus on so we'll catch you all on the next episode.